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Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by znpy »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.

I really think this is apple feeling really threatened rather than confidential data really being stolen.

Apple is known for threatening companies that hire from them, and occasionally having secret agreements with other companies not to hire from each other.

People move from a company to a direct competitor all the time (i have a number of friends that went from working at aws to working on gcloud for example) and guess what, no one of those companies really went bankrupt due to this.

So really long story short: i think apple is being a sore loser at the employee retention game.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by devsda »

CBLT wrote: post #15
giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.

The only time I did that, the company I was leaving begged me to take one of their corp laptops with me so I could offer "consulting" to them on the side. I never called them on their plausible deniability, I just said I felt that would be a conflict of interest and they shut up real fast.

Can you elaborate on the plausible deniability part.

Was your past employer trying to make best of the situation by hoping to fish for information about your next employer's projects via the consulting gig?

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by freejazz »

ncr100 wrote: post #23
ofjcihen wrote: post #4

OpenAIs response: https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/ Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal. I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence. I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound…

> This should be shown in court

"Weak security" isn't a defense to theft, so probably wont.

>Seems inappropriate for OpenAI to post this public-appeal, to me.

They are desperate and are behaving desperately. Who actually qualifies anything they say anymore anyway? I certainly don't

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #25
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably were presented with huge comp packages which made bending ethics incredibly easy.

Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.

There are comp packages in the millions for people (often a large part can be in a lump sum bonus as well).

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by charlieyu1 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #25
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably were presented with huge comp packages which made bending ethics incredibly easy.

Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.

People break the law for pennies all the time

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by madeofpalk »

datakan wrote: post #6

Really don't like all the drama around this. Should be dealt with in court, not tried in the press. Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

I mean, they are dealing with it in the courts, right? This is the press picking up on public court filings https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/73602437/49/apple-inc-v...

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by thewebguyd »

znpy wrote: post #31
giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.

I really think this is apple feeling really threatened rather than confidential data really being stolen. Apple is known for threatening companies that hire from them, and occasionally having secret agreements with other companies not to hire from each other. People move from a company to a direct competitor all the time (i have a number of friends that went from working at aws to working on gcloud for example) and g…

Yeah Apple does have a history of doing these things. There was Palm, where Jobs told them if they didn't stop recruiting Apple employees he would destroy Palm with patent lawsuits. Jobs was also one of the main architects behind the no poach cartel in SV between Google, Adobe, and Intel, and Apple.

More recently there was Nuvia, which the lawsuit was dropped, and Rivos, which was settled.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by ipaddr »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #22
SiempreViernes wrote: post #5

> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

The outcome shouldn't depend whether they had "poor" security anyway. If I leave my front door locked, it might increase the chances I get robbed, but it doesn't make robbing me legal.

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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by blltprfmnk »

znpy wrote: post #31
giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.

I really think this is apple feeling really threatened rather than confidential data really being stolen. Apple is known for threatening companies that hire from them, and occasionally having secret agreements with other companies not to hire from each other. People move from a company to a direct competitor all the time (i have a number of friends that went from working at aws to working on gcloud for example) and g…

I don’t know where you’re drawing your conclusions from but they literally have messages from the OpenAI exec laughing at how he can still access data at Apple and talking about copying it, as well as messages encouraging candidates from Apple to bring unreleased prototype hardware to demonstrate during interviews.
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