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Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by thewebguyd »

reticulates wrote: post #55
SiempreViernes wrote: post #5

> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

> is there any glass house he won't go to? The one containing his children, only the nanny goes there.

Ah, probably why he thinks its such a great idea to have ChatGPT make a podcast about your children to listen to instead of, you know, talking to them.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by polishdude20 »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #22
SiempreViernes wrote: post #5

> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

The outcome shouldn't depend whether they had "poor" security anyway. If I leave my front door locked, it might increase the chances I get robbed, but it doesn't make robbing me legal.

It just goes to show how Saltman thinks. "If the door is open, it's not my fault I've walked in and stolen all of your stuff!"

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by thewebguyd »

paul7986 wrote: post #53
SiempreViernes wrote: post #5

> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part. Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

Maybe Apple will buy Open AI at a rock bottom price after this lawsuit. I've used chatGPT voice conversation tech since Sept 2023 and was expecting the new Siri to match the user experience. The new Siri is far far away from matching chatGPT's voice tech. The new Siri is smarter and can now answer your question for anything yet it's SLOWer and you can not have a full conversation with it. I continually have to say "H…

You aren't supposed to have a full conversation with Siri, it's an assistant not a chatbot. Tell it to do a task, and it does the task. In those leaked system prompts/instructions Apple pretty explicitly wants to avoid conversational engagement to stop the whole "AI friendship" crap from happening.

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Post by lightedman »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #30
datakan wrote: post #6

Really don't like all the drama around this. Should be dealt with in court, not tried in the press. Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

Why are you both-sidesing this? Apple is doing it right, simple high level statements. OpenAI is acting like a teenager posting screenshots of literal texts and being overall petulant. This is open and shut. The mature company will win this.

"Apple is doing it right, simple high level statements."

Apple does this to most any company that ends up with any of its former employees. It's basically expected. Apple is being the bully.

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Post by jbs789 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.

These guys are pushing boundaries knowingly.

A good company also doesn’t want you to take IP bc it creates the liability.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

ipaddr wrote: post #39
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outcome shouldn't depend whether they had "poor" security anyway. If I leave my front door locked, it might increase the chances I get robbed, but it doesn't make robbing me legal.

[flagged]

That’s like saying it’s not manslaughter if you kill a woman because no ”man” died.

Re: Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

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Post by christkv »

thewebguyd wrote: post #54
christkv wrote: post #38

I might be dense but from what I read I have no idea why any of the stolen documents have any value to OpenAI in the context of their business. Knowing Apples maybe future products etc seems pointless.

OpenAI has been talking about making hardware for a while now, and most likely they are going to attempt a smartphone.

I mean do they need any of this for that. All of it is in the software anyway and the Android stack is there already.

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Post by ifwinterco »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #25
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably were presented with huge comp packages which made bending ethics incredibly easy.

Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.

Some industries (e.g. law) are close knit, at the top level everyone knows everyone, you’d get blacklisted for pulling stuff like this.

But tech isn’t like that, there’s always a new startup and a new VC firm that don’t care that you ripped off every single previous person you worked with, stole trade secrets… maybe this time will be different

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