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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by estearum »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #255
sgc wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US I also want to know State of Origin. Not all state food and agricultural department regulations and inspections are the same.

That sounds like a bad idea if produce can be freely sold across state lines even when it doesn't meet the standards required in a particular state. It's the right conditions to promote a race to the bottom with the states that have the most lax regulations would be more attractive to food companies with the worst standards (production that meets high standards wouldn't benefit from the extra quality unless they can…

Aren't you describing the current state of affairs, and GP's suggestion would enable the ideal state (i.e. food products can compete on implied quality based on state of origin)?

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by someguydave »

jknoepfler wrote: post #176
limagnolia wrote: post #101

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As engineers we know that you can't catch everything. You build resilient systems by learning from your failures and investing/iterating in better practices over time. If you want to find out how to sabotage your company really quickly, just throw a bunch of politically radicalized interns with stupid red hats at your testing, QA, dev/ops, security, customer success (+etc) procedures, slash budgets, randomly, delete…

“MAGA types”

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by pbnjeh »

smegger001 wrote: post #243
thrance wrote: post #239

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DOGE is simply a tool of global capital, and shouldn't be singled out as the root cause of anything. Its purpose was to cut money from being redistributed through government programs, so it could go to the financial markets instead via tax cuts for the wealthiests and inefficient defense contracts. It achieved its goal wonderfully.

More than that it was an enabling tool. Republicans for decades have claimed that the government cant do anythingright/good and that we must deregulate and let the free market do everything. Problem is the government is actually pretty good at doing somethings, so Republicans break things until they can use them as examples of government inefficiency then privatize it for there own profit. Doge was made to break the…

In explanations I believe, over the decades government programs have been difficult to deal with in good part because Republicans and their like (sorry if this seems political, but they’re the ones doing it) while they can’t stop all the legislation, they have enough influence even then to make the administration structure and requirements deliberately horrible and underfunded.

One of the first big bullets they put into the Affordable Care Act after it became effective, was to zero out funding of its provisions that were/are mandated by law.

The “government can’t do shit” people should spend some time looking at the reasons why. Government isn’t perfect — it’s made up of the same humans that compose the rest of society — but it often isn’t half bad, and many people going into it have good-hearted and honorable intentions. Some turn bitter or disengaged at the experience — as designed — but many fight such negativity to the bitter end.

Oh, and regarding the ACA, many don’t know or have forgotten that businesses were clamoring for it or some/any solution, facing 25% year over year premium increases for their insured employees. And the ACA has and continues to provide many substantial improvements and benefits to group policy insurance holders that have no ready optics and hype like the healthcare marketplace.

Have insurance through your employer and think the ACA does nothing for you? You’re wrong.

So, thanks, gub’mint!

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

estearum wrote: post #261
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a bad idea if produce can be freely sold across state lines even when it doesn't meet the standards required in a particular state. It's the right conditions to promote a race to the bottom with the states that have the most lax regulations would be more attractive to food companies with the worst standards (production that meets high standards wouldn't benefit from the extra quality unless they can…

Aren't you describing the current state of affairs, and GP's suggestion would enable the ideal state (i.e. food products can compete on implied quality based on state of origin)?

You're right, I thought I was replying to a different comment somehow.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by lymbo »

ssl-3 wrote: post #236
dzhiurgis wrote: post #232

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TBF the companies that failed to contain the disease are at fault, not the agency. You can't reasonably expect government to protect everyone from everything.

How would we know which companies to blame without organizations like the CDC? What would they even be blamed for in the first place if there were no regulatory expectations for them to adhere to?

Exactly, and profit is too great a drug for 99% of companies. Consumers just aren’t going to be willing or able to collectively buy up research and regulatory bodies themselves or we would already have a replacement.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by collingreen »

limagnolia wrote: post #242
bix6 wrote: post #111

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You think an agency with less people can more capably do its job? Come on now.

Yes! I have no idea if that is the case here, but absolutely yes.

Boy have I got a bridge to sell you!

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by preg_match »

limagnolia wrote: post #101
wnevets wrote: post #85

> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

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I don’t believe you need evidence when simple reasoning will do. Less people = less likelihood of an appropriate and timely response.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by SR2Z »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #232
davidw wrote: post #229

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Except no one died because Twitter malfunctions here and there.

TBF the companies that failed to contain the disease are at fault, not the agency. You can't reasonably expect government to protect everyone from everything.

You can reasonably expect the government to measure the scale and scope of an outbreak after it's occurred and force companies to appropriately recall any damaged produce. You know, what they've been doing for decades before Musk gutted them.

I don't know what to tell you, man. It's not normal for thousands of people to be sickened by foodborne illness AFTER the government knows where it's from.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by saghm »

ssl-3 wrote: post #228
saghm wrote: post #213

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> Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell? Some people think that certain things that are not profitable are still worthwhile to society. For example, libraries and fire departments are not designed to be profitable at all, but they're established because at least some of us think they're beneficial to have despite that. A more…

Please understand that I wrote the previous comment with a heavy dose of devil's advocacy. :) In reality, I'm a huge fan of enabling people to find reliable information (if they want it) so they can do things like make what they feel are informed decisions (if they choose to do that). This can happen with capitalism and food. I've known a nice lady for a very long time who has run a little food truck that serves only…

I guess I don't find the argument "capitalism is inherently something praiseworthy, regulation is something inherently to be avoided" compelling. I care about the outcome, not the label, so if the strongest argument against something is that it has the wrong label, that's evidence in favor of the idea for me.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by saghm »

dyauspitr wrote: post #245
saghm wrote: post #74

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If we can't figure out a way as a society to honestly tell people what food is being sold in restaurants, maybe we shouldn't be starting new restaurants until we figure that out.

Look, you want to encourage new businesses at all times and reduce barrier to entry as much as possible. Regulation should only touch things that are absolutely necessary which in the case of the food industry is hygiene and sanitation. That’s it. Everything else is nice to have. What’s necessary for every industry varies and you need to have solid heads in charge of this so you’re balancing the ease of starting a bu…

You're stating your personal dogma as if it's an objective fact. I don't agree with it, and simply restating what I disagree with is not particularly convincing.
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