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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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It's crazy how nothing has been done in the US about this. I got an egg allergy in my late 20s, I had never thought about it before and now eating at restaurants is such a hassle. Even the delivery apps seem to have zero affordances for food allergies, at least with a restaurant you can get some assurance by asking the staff.

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I don’t think restaurants have to be forced to deal with that. The only thing I could support is “if revenue >X then allergen disclosure is mandatory”. I know personally multiple little shops that had to refuse customers, because that’s extra hassle and responsibility that they can’t afford to deal with.

In my experience in NYC kitchens, I wouldn't trust most restaurants to actually be able to accommodate certain allergies. If it isn't stated clearly on the menu, I would rather be turned away than to have an inexperienced kitchen try to manage something they haven't done before. My experience is different now that I live in the EU.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Seems like more bureaucracy that would make it even harder for new restaurants to get set up and the paperwork they would have to maintain in order to provide that information.

If we can't figure out a way as a society to honestly tell people what food is being sold in restaurants, maybe we shouldn't be starting new restaurants until we figure that out.

Knowing the sources of the food we eat is a very popular thing right now.

Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell?

All of the consumers who are motivated by this information will then be free to reward these eateries with their business.

After that: Other restaurateurs will surely notice how unspeakably profitable these loyal consumers are and will begin to mimic the effort to try to capture a slice of the pie.

Ultimately, this snowballs into information being the norm instead of the rare exception. Everyone wins!

(Or, more likely: We'll broadly forget that we cared about any of this a few months from now, just as we have always done in the past, and the idea will die at the invisible hand of the free market.)

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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You shouldn't. You should instead take note of "it's not X, it's Y" and em-dashes.

You're absolutely right! Those are load-bearing assumptions.

This is the right shape!

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Good. Restaurants are hectic to work in. Menus can change quickly, and many dishes are being cooked and prepped at once. Cross contamination chances are high, so if a restaurant MUST say an allergen is not in X,Y,Z they basically can't have it in their restaurant at all.

In forty years I have very rarely seen menus change substantially. If you are working with food you should know about allergies. It just comes with the territory. I’m baffled by how this is somehow too hard for US folks yet we manage fine.

Your menus don't change because of the administrative overhead. In the mid-sized American city where I live, menus change seasonally at nice restaurants and daily at really nice restaurants. Even fast food chains experiment with adding new items all the time.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

optimistic, this requires the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism.

Fair. Though based on previous experiments fascist regimes aren’t that stable and competent, they have a tendency to self-destruct once they are in power. It’s a sad state of affairs that is considered optimistic

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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"is not marketing. It is evidence". ugh. I'm so confused how to feel about these articles. this one is clearly AI written. But blessed by a lawyer so we think the stuff in here is accurate with facts? I've accidentally posted an AI article before that seemed just as this was, and the community flagged that to oblivion. Rightfully so I think? Does Hacker News need a "report AI" and we can then hide the AI articles as…

This is the Claudiest article I've seen in a long time. "Defensible view." "No correction, no note, no acknowledgment." "The honest statement about X."

So the next question is, how much of this is true at all, versus just being hallucinations.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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It's crazy how nothing has been done in the US about this. I got an egg allergy in my late 20s, I had never thought about it before and now eating at restaurants is such a hassle. Even the delivery apps seem to have zero affordances for food allergies, at least with a restaurant you can get some assurance by asking the staff.

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I don’t think restaurants have to be forced to deal with that. The only thing I could support is “if revenue >X then allergen disclosure is mandatory”. I know personally multiple little shops that had to refuse customers, because that’s extra hassle and responsibility that they can’t afford to deal with.

Do you also think businesses shouldn’t need to be “forced” to deal with accessibility? Web devs shouldn’t be forced to deal with accessibility either right?

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Seems like more bureaucracy that would make it even harder for new restaurants to get set up and the paperwork they would have to maintain in order to provide that information.

We have enough “restaurants” that fry an egg. We can do that ourselves. Running a proper business requires such formalities to not kill your customers. If knowing about your craft is too hard - allergies is a major part of it - then you shouldn’t be in this business.

Restaurants are one of the classic immigrant paths to upward mobility. We don't want to make that too hard.

By all means, get a license, food handler permit, etc. and know and practice good food safety, and buy ingredients from legitimate wholesalers. But at some point you don't have visibility into the supply chain and it's not reasonable to expect Joe's Taco Truck to know which specific farms produced their lettuce.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Mostly to be a pedantic devil's advocate here, I'm going to argue with something you're not saying. I've heard a _lot_ of people argue that the visit is _proof_ of corruption. You're just pointing out the possibility and I'm hoping to head off a bad path. Anyway, if a company is being declared the source of a multi-state outbreak, that company _should_ be talking to the WH. And it's possible that some of those discus…

Yup, don't care. The trust has been broken a thousand times with this admin. Why should I believe this is the one time they are being straight with us?

You don’t mean that the people behind $MELANIA coin may have ill intentions, do you? /s

The credulousness that this administration is granted by devil’s advocates and “rationalists” is exhausting.

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