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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Hasn't happened before, suddenly happens now after the cuts. It's not too complicated. People are dying and people have died. The new administration must collect all available evidence and then submit to grand juries for prosecution.

This was a response team not a prevention team.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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From 11 to 3 employees. Doesn't seem that outrageous outside of such a time of crisis (since this lab seem dedicated solely to outbreaks, not research), which is when the parent entity should temporarily allocate more people.

The thing about crises is by the time you’re in them, they’re gonna cost way more to clean up than just not getting there in the first place. Sounds like the lag time between going from 11 to 3 employees and having an outbreak was ~a year, so unless this is wrapped up fast enough and cheaply enough to cost less than 8 FTEs, we didn’t save a whole lot of money and we caused a whole lot of distress, so it’s hard to rea…

That ignores that point that this department only activates after the outbreak has started, so if it was increased to 100 people it wouldn’t have prevented the crisis.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. When this code begins with TF (like, say, the TFRB182A11B I had on a bag in my fridge last month), it's a Taylor Farms product. They control a huge percentage of this market. Their products can be hard to avoid, and are sold under a wide variety of different…

> It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date.

This reads like C strings having not only a null terminator but carrying around a lifetime value specified in microseconds, and memory safety errors leading to weeks of explosive diarrhea.

How important is iceberg to your diet that you needed to create this YOLO lettuce header (heh)?

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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I think if you watch video of a massive meatpacking plant, you'll pretty quickly realize how hard it would be to track. At the commodity scale, basically no one in the supply chain other than the rancher seems to care where the meat comes from. And the brands (Tyson, Smithfield, etc.) only want consumers to care about the logo on the box. Literally the canonical example of capitalism-as-meat-grinder.

Meat is already tracked to its origin. They can track a specific box to the farmer and supplier. Anytime there would be a recall, they would include the lot number and manufacturer dates. Source: I worked in meat packing and boutique butcher shops. Edit: even things like ground beef from trimmings, we would write down every lot that went into it

Thanks for the correction. I think the issue here is that none of this information is public (like I can’t call the company and ask where lot 11956 came from), so it’s impossible to know as a consumer.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

optimistic, this requires the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism.

>the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism.

From wikipedia: "Fascism [...] rose to prominence primarily in Europe of the interwar period"

So what were humans doing for all the thousands of years after the advent of recorded history but before that?

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

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As engineers we know that you can't catch everything. You build resilient systems by learning from your failures and investing/iterating in better practices over time. If you want to find out how to sabotage your company really quickly, just throw a bunch of politically radicalized interns with stupid red hats at your testing, QA, dev/ops, security, customer success (+etc) procedures, slash budgets, randomly, delete test suites and see where you land. Then when things go wrong, make sure your defense is "well we don't know they would have caught anything anyway."

The cuts were actual. There's no sense in calling something that is a matter of open public record which has been widely reported on "alleged."

I understand MAGA types like to fall over themselves to evade responsibility for their actions, because they think truth is a shell game and reality has no meaningful consequences if you deny them loudly enough (see: deaths due to science denialism during the covid response and shilling of bro-science alternative medicine, upsurge in preventable illnesses like measles due to vaccine denialism, brain drain from the insane gutting of public research funding institutions and cynical re-alignment of said institutions around corporations that donated to the presidency, drastic consequences of global warming, consequences of 2A zealotry in the form of school and other mass shootings... and so on and so forth).

The hard reality is that we've been trying to get a handle on food safety for over a century. It is incredibly laborious, difficult work that requires knowledge of the many and various ways contaminants make it into the food supply, how food producers like Taylor Farms obfuscate or lie to avoid legal liability or costly regulation, and knowledge of the law and how to shape and administer it effectively. If you slash regulatory agencies that have emerged over decades to own and shepherd this work, you're going to have to own up to a lot of nasty shit over the next few decades.

In my state, water pollution was so bad in the 70s and 80s you couldn't swim in major lakes and streams. Now you can. We got there through sustained public investment in regulation and oversight. We need more of that, not less.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Good. Restaurants are hectic to work in. Menus can change quickly, and many dishes are being cooked and prepped at once. Cross contamination chances are high, so if a restaurant MUST say an allergen is not in X,Y,Z they basically can't have it in their restaurant at all.

They manage here in the UK. When entering, "any allergens or intolerances" is normally asked before you're sat down. They distinguish the two to decide whether a station clean is required or if they can just point you to the menu. If it's not already clear on the menu, most medium/large chains then hand you a tablet letting you filter by almost anything.

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. When this code begins with TF (like, say, the TFRB182A11B I had on a bag in my fridge last month), it's a Taylor Farms product. They control a huge percentage of this market. Their products can be hard to avoid, and are sold under a wide variety of different…

> It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. This reads like C strings having not only a null terminator but carrying around a lifetime value specified in microseconds, and memory safety errors leading to weeks of explosive diarrhea. How important is iceberg to your diet that you needed to create thi…

How important to your diet is that lettuce? Do you want to get fat eating bread all the time or can you stick your burger on that lettuce leaf? Done.

The header is the standard, which allows us to even have this conversation about tracking sources.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Fiat currency (including bitcoin) is a bigger ponzi, and the stock market (including crypto project tokens) is a bigger ponzi than that.

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

You don't need historians to see the crisis as it was happening and as it's ongoing, the only question we need to ask is how long should the people held accountable be in prison for?

For abusing democratic offices the penalty should be at least one decade in keeping up with ancient Athenian democratic traditions.

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