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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by SoftTalker »

the_bear wrote: post #71
Aurornis wrote: post #27

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> family owned company act like they have stock holders A family owned company does have shareholders. The shareholders are the people who own the company. There’s nothing all that special about a family owned business in this regard, even though they want you to believe it’s completely different. Family owned is a loose term anyway. Large companies are large companies.

Companies can prioritize things other that money if the shareholders all agree. The more shareholders a company has, the harder it is for them all to agree on anything aside from "we want more money". Family-owned business often (but not always) have a small number of shareholders, so it's easier for them to have shared values. For example, my brother and I co-own a smallish (~$5 million/year revenue) software busine…

The existence of "socially conscious" investment funds says that there are investors out there who do value things other than total return. It is a myth that "shareholder value" must only be defined in terms of money. Brand reputation, goodwill, etc. can all be considered. It just happens that money is the overriding concern most of the time.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by jsjisiiss »

dyauspitr wrote: post #15
sharps_xp wrote: post #6

I went to restaurant last night and asked where the chicken was sourced from and their response was "it's not the usual place we get chicken, but it's US Farm Raised Hatched", but I misinterpreted the her answer as a distributor name but then I realized even if I had a name, I probably couldn't figure out past that whether or not these chickens were pasture raised. If food labels are law, why doesn't this apply to wh…

Seems like more bureaucracy that would make it even harder for new restaurants to get set up and the paperwork they would have to maintain in order to provide that information.

We have enough “restaurants” that fry an egg. We can do that ourselves. Running a proper business requires such formalities to not kill your customers. If knowing about your craft is too hard - allergies is a major part of it - then you shouldn’t be in this business.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by dgellow »

ecshafer wrote: post #64
Miner49er wrote: post #30

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Restaurants don't even have to track and disclose what allergens their food contains.

Good. Restaurants are hectic to work in. Menus can change quickly, and many dishes are being cooked and prepped at once. Cross contamination chances are high, so if a restaurant MUST say an allergen is not in X,Y,Z they basically can't have it in their restaurant at all.

The rest of the world has been able to solve that issue

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by rafram »

M95D wrote: post #55
Miner49er wrote: post #30

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Restaurants don't even have to track and disclose what allergens their food contains.

They have to in EU! https://food.ec.europa.eu/food-safety/campaign-2026/allergie...

Very, very poorly enforced and followed.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by cyanydeez »

dgellow wrote: post #90
wnevets wrote: post #85

> The CDC Has a Cyclospora Lab. DOGE Downsized It Last Year [1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-cyclospora-lab-doge-downsize...

DOGE will be seen by historians as the cause of so many crisis…

optimistic, this requires the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by bigfishrunning »

inigyou wrote: post #54
nerdsniper wrote: post #46

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Why should I put any stock in what some snake oil "AI detector" says?

You shouldn't. You should instead take note of "it's not X, it's Y" and em-dashes.

You're absolutely right! Those are load-bearing assumptions.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by dgellow »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #49
Danox wrote: post #36

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Explosive diarrhea doesn’t take long to show up, and it may be hard to identify which company or who’s responsible when you fired all of the people from the department that it’s supposed to police those type of things.

Isn't the "explosive" superfluous? Isn't all diarrhea explosive? Has anyone had "unexplosive" diarrhea? Or what aspect of the ordinance renders it "explosive"? And the cause is essentially exposure of the foodstuffs (in this case, likely leafy greens) to feces? So poop causes poop. Who pooped in my salad :(

No, it’s actually one of the symptom, it is described as explosive, not a standard diarrhea

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by the_bear »

SoftTalker wrote: post #91
the_bear wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies can prioritize things other that money if the shareholders all agree. The more shareholders a company has, the harder it is for them all to agree on anything aside from "we want more money". Family-owned business often (but not always) have a small number of shareholders, so it's easier for them to have shared values. For example, my brother and I co-own a smallish (~$5 million/year revenue) software busine…

The existence of "socially conscious" investment funds says that there are investors out there who do value things other than total return. It is a myth that "shareholder value" must only be defined in terms of money. Brand reputation, goodwill, etc. can all be considered. It just happens that money is the overriding concern most of the time.

Sure, if you gather the investors from the start to have a unifying theme other than money, that's fine. But it's very difficult to take a random company with a bunch of unrelated shareholders and convince them all to care about the same thing.

Even the things you named (brand reputation, goodwill, etc.) are prioritized by companies because they're upstream of shareholder value. Many companies have a float in the Pride parade, an employee volunteer day and post on social media about how they're reducing their carbon footprint. Most of those companies are doing those things because they believe they ultimately increase shareholder value, not because shareholders have decided to sacrifice money because they care more about other things.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by tpm »

rafram wrote: post #94
M95D wrote: post #55

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They have to in EU! https://food.ec.europa.eu/food-safety/campaign-2026/allergie...

Very, very poorly enforced and followed.

Depends on the country, as enforcing that falls to the agencies of the member states. At least here in Slovakia it is followed very strictly, but then our restaurant inspectors are notoriously business unfriendly.
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