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The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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The bubble in the US pops maybe. China is only limited by chips, not costs.

It's entirely possible China has a little bit of a bubble too when it comes to development investment vs demand. But obviously the bubble in the US is basically a whale compared to whatever small fish China is.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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There is something I have been pondering recently. If we compare the cost of AI subscriptions (let's say Claude's 100/month) to a median developer salary (let's say 100k/year to 200k/year), the difference is orders of magnitude. This fills like a gap that needs to close. I suspect llms are too cheap right now but will raise their prices to a point where only big companies will be able to afford subscriptions to use t…

Also, something else to add. At first I thought no one wants to build data centers in hotter areas in the middle of deserts (many places in the American continent). So nobody would spend money building a data center in the Chihuahuan Desert for instance. However, a game of latencies will either require cover llm access from these areas, or make people move closer to the other data centers. In the former, llm prices w…

They are building data centers in the Chihuahuan Desert right now. Meta has a huge one planned right outside El Paso.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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I would argue we still have not even really gotten started. What do we have in the decade ahead? Robotics in every household, models 10x+ faster and more intelligent than today. Really no significant impact in life sciences, R&D, and 'offline' world / robotics today as of yet, which is where most of the value will live.

Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. We get dedicated, compact machines like dishwashers and washing machine/dryers, that's it. Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum. If you want someone else to do household chores, hire someone. You can pay someone to do your house chores for years for the cost that these things will have initially.

What it we would prefer that there were not other people in our homes for interpersonal reasons?

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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Outside a relatively small world of circular investment and FOMO feeding FOMO the general consensus seems to be “let it burn.” It appears very unlikely we will ever see an IPO of OpenAI. Anthropic appears less doomed, but still iffy at best. Tons of other large, but little discussed, AI startups are just dead-companies-walking at this point. The likes of AWS are showing good headline numbers but are taking out massiv…

It's holding up the entire US stock market and therefore the entire US economy and the dollar value. You probably don't want this particular Atlas to shrug.

I do. The faster it happens, the faster a recovery begins and we can devote resources back to doing more practical things. Get it over with as soon as possible, rip the bandaid off, insert your idiom of choice.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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I mean we are due our 6-8 year financial crash that we won't learn from. Once again it'll be coming from the USA's feral financial investments all to be bailed out by the tax player whilst the rest of the world picks up the pieces. Maybe its time we moved away from the petro-dollar if the USA can't be trusted to keep its finances in order.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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Outside a relatively small world of circular investment and FOMO feeding FOMO the general consensus seems to be “let it burn.” It appears very unlikely we will ever see an IPO of OpenAI. Anthropic appears less doomed, but still iffy at best. Tons of other large, but little discussed, AI startups are just dead-companies-walking at this point. The likes of AWS are showing good headline numbers but are taking out massiv…

> infrastructure that looks increasingly unneeded

This is the crux that needs to be substantiated. Without substantiation none of your other arguments hold up.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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Outside a relatively small world of circular investment and FOMO feeding FOMO the general consensus seems to be “let it burn.” It appears very unlikely we will ever see an IPO of OpenAI. Anthropic appears less doomed, but still iffy at best. Tons of other large, but little discussed, AI startups are just dead-companies-walking at this point. The likes of AWS are showing good headline numbers but are taking out massiv…

It's holding up the entire US stock market and therefore the entire US economy and the dollar value. You probably don't want this particular Atlas to shrug.

You can’t threaten me with two good times. Long term that would help correct the overemphasis on the U.S. economy and AI.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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I would argue we still have not even really gotten started. What do we have in the decade ahead? Robotics in every household, models 10x+ faster and more intelligent than today. Really no significant impact in life sciences, R&D, and 'offline' world / robotics today as of yet, which is where most of the value will live.

Yep, that is what the bet is. The build out will continue, even if it looks different.

The Internet was a 'bubble' at one point, and after it crashed in 2000, it didn't go away, it continued to build out. We're still using the Internet after the Internet bubble popped.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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I would argue we still have not even really gotten started. What do we have in the decade ahead? Robotics in every household, models 10x+ faster and more intelligent than today. Really no significant impact in life sciences, R&D, and 'offline' world / robotics today as of yet, which is where most of the value will live.

Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. We get dedicated, compact machines like dishwashers and washing machine/dryers, that's it. Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum. If you want someone else to do household chores, hire someone. You can pay someone to do your house chores for years for the cost that these things will have initially.

The cost of a timeshare robot will come down first, so you'll be hiring a robot before you own one. But that might not take so long to occur as you imagine.

Re: The AI bubble is popping; we just don't know it yet

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Outside a relatively small world of circular investment and FOMO feeding FOMO the general consensus seems to be “let it burn.” It appears very unlikely we will ever see an IPO of OpenAI. Anthropic appears less doomed, but still iffy at best. Tons of other large, but little discussed, AI startups are just dead-companies-walking at this point. The likes of AWS are showing good headline numbers but are taking out massiv…

It's holding up the entire US stock market and therefore the entire US economy and the dollar value. You probably don't want this particular Atlas to shrug.

The “Let it burn” attitude doesn’t mean people think they are immune.

Yes the overall market will take a hit but, like a forest fire we need a healthy burn to just wipe out the weaker players so the older more mature trees can get on with it. Yes the big trees will get burned a bit but they’ll be fine in the long run.

We need a good brush fire to just wipe out all the iffy startups and investors that over-indexed here. Thats what people want with “let it burn.”

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