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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by wasfgwp »

stymaar wrote: post #111
wahern wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can farm fish outside territorial and exclusive economic zone waters. But in any event China has substantial EEZ waters: https://www.marineregions.org/gazetteer.php?p=details&id=848... Taiwan isn't much of a hindrance. For one thing, the Strait is 100 miles wide. And China's coast is much, much longer than Taiwan.

Check your map: with the exception a part of South China Sea that is a point of contention with Vietnam, China only has access to shallow water (For instance East China Sea is ~300m deep, which isn't significantly deeper than Norvay's Fjords). On the contrary the eastern coast of Taiwan has access to very deep sea though. (This is a well known geostrategic fact, as the small depths of Chinese water are a big weakness…

I assumed concentration is a bigger issue than just depth? If it’s done in open sea instead of fjords that also should be an improvement. Of course fish farming in entirely unprotected open sea waters might be trickier

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Post by wasfgwp »

voxic11 wrote: post #104
cassepipe wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting fact but that does not tell me anything about the possibility it has of raising salmon in its own waters

Why would they need to do it in their own waters?

Because fish farms are generally stationary?

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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moomoo11 wrote: post #119

why don’t we just infuse tofu with all the nutrients and eat that? hell i would pay for that. high protein extra firm tofu is like 2.70/lb for me. i get about 35g protein from 8oz of that tofu. i eat salmon 2x a week but most of my diet is tofu and beans/lentils for protein. i think it would be far ecologically and financially better to have tofu enhanced, so it meets nutritional needs at low cost. and i personally f…

Because it’s not very tasty? Also hoper processed foods “infused” with nutrients don’t sound very appealing..

Most people (in western countries at least) don’t really optimize their food in take this way or want to maximize the amount of protein per $

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Post by bogdan »

reco98gg wrote: post #32

I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine" While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places. When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?

I've been last year and none of the 4+ Tabelog-rated sushi places I've been to had it. It was quite common in grocery stores though; sashimi grade was cheap and plentiful.

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Post by stinos »

moomoo11 wrote: post #119

why don’t we just infuse tofu with all the nutrients and eat that? hell i would pay for that. high protein extra firm tofu is like 2.70/lb for me. i get about 35g protein from 8oz of that tofu. i eat salmon 2x a week but most of my diet is tofu and beans/lentils for protein. i think it would be far ecologically and financially better to have tofu enhanced, so it meets nutritional needs at low cost. and i personally f…

If your goal is eating mostly tofu, sure. But one could also eat 'normal' meals (think food pyramid) from a varied diet including tofu and there'd be no need for nutrient-infused tofu and it would have a richer taste from more ingredients etc. And for most people, who don't even need to count proteins to begin with, supplies sufficient protein. Does take a bit more time to prepare though.

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Post by rypskar »

throw-qqqqq wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Astaxanthin for the color fair. Why is it fair? Wild salmon also consume astaxanthin. It’s like complaining that the farmers are bad for trying to mimic the fish’s natural diet.

Farmed salmon meat is pink, whereas wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color. They don’t put the coloring in the food to emulate natural food sources. They do it because it looks more appealing to most consumers.

The colour on wild salmon meat depends on the diet of the salmon, in the same way as for farmed salmon. All the wild salmon I have fished, even before salmon farming was big, have had red/pink meat since krill and shrimps are a large part of their diet in my area

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Post by ionwake »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #117

which salmon organs would contain most of say the heavy metals? they could be selectively cut out, and any below-regulation levels sold (domestically and abroad) can be seen as a free heavy metal remediation effort in those bays and fjords. Making a closed loop system possibly including IMTA either on land (why not right at the salmon processing facilities saving transport costs and assets like boats, its cheaper to…

Did you use AI for this.

What on earth are you going on about?

My first suspicion was when you started taking about metals. Bro salmon are euryhaline.

You have no idea if its viable and profitable to remove certain organs, and its based on the incorrect premise that the fish have the metals in them, the ONE type of fish that has the lowest concentration of metals in existence. You literally picked the worst possible , weakest possible argument that could have existed, somehow defying all odds, ( which tbh is an achievement in itself) before your apparent non coherent jargon laden word ramble.

I need my coffee now.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by giov4 »

ionwake wrote: post #127
DoctorOetker wrote: post #117

which salmon organs would contain most of say the heavy metals? they could be selectively cut out, and any below-regulation levels sold (domestically and abroad) can be seen as a free heavy metal remediation effort in those bays and fjords. Making a closed loop system possibly including IMTA either on land (why not right at the salmon processing facilities saving transport costs and assets like boats, its cheaper to…

Did you use AI for this. What on earth are you going on about? My first suspicion was when you started taking about metals. Bro salmon are euryhaline. You have no idea if its viable and profitable to remove certain organs, and its based on the incorrect premise that the fish have the metals in them, the ONE type of fish that has the lowest concentration of metals in existence. You literally picked the worst possible…

where do you see AI input?

for everybody, euryhaline: "Euryhaline organisms are able to adapt to a wide range of salinities."

how is that related to the heavy metals? and what's the reason behind attacking the post topic based on that? osmoregulation anything to do with it or what?

I still find the post useful and interesting, and I took organ modification as a possible threat to hiding toxicity instead.

It would have been more useful to explain why and make it clear for us too if thats hyped, instead of just bro'ing around :)

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Post by expedition32 »

oblio wrote: post #83
reco98gg wrote: post #32

I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine" While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places. When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?

I remember asking a Japanese chef in Japan, in 2019, and the answer I got was that sushi is much less popular in Japan than believed outside of Japan, and a lot more people eat rice and chicken, pork, etc., than salmon.

For thousands of years all Japanese people had was fish and rice. When countries become wealthy and open up to trade the population wants to eat exotic stuff. What Japan eats today would be nigh unrecognisable to cooks a hundred years ago.

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Post by timonoko »

There is something fishy happening in Norway. Some Lapps suggested not to eat fish south of Nordkapp-island. Because of fish farms.

Insane, because this strait has always heavy current and nasty mælstrøms as half of Atlantic goes that way to east and back daily.

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