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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by wefzyn »

stymaar wrote: post #39
ksec wrote: post #30

1. The Title should be "Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences". It fits the character limit, why change it? 2. A lot of the conditions for Salmon farming can be drastically improved or completely eliminated if they have done it further away in deep sea rather than coast. It just cost more. 3. China is rapidly improving their Salmon Farming so there isn't much to worry about for Norw…

Points 2 and 3 kind of contradict themselves though, as China doesn't have access to deep sea (at least until the invasion of Taiwan or if China manage to take control of their claimed share of South China Sea).

China has the world’s largest distant-water fishing fleet, and Chinese vessels fish far beyond China's coastal waters like in South America, West Africa, Indian Ocean.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by eth0up »

ricardobeat wrote: post #64
eth0up wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon, but how the hell is my hamburger packed with preservatives? And how, other than grinding, is it ultra processed, especially if the beef was given to me by a local rancher? I do not understand? And where the hell did the corn syrup come from? I never put Aunt Jemima on my burgers? Not even brown sugar. Where in the - Grass-fed beef - Sourdough bun - Lettuce - Tomato - Onion Is all this stuff you cite? Any cond…

That’s not what “a hamburger” consists of for most of the population. I’d guess That makes “a hamburger is healthier than salmon” wildly incorrect as a generic statement.

Respectfully, allow me to make subtle, but not insubstantial correction:

"“a hamburger is healthier than salmon”"

to

“a hamburger is healthier than farm raised salmon”

That holds closer to the actual context.

I admit, the ultimate truth of whether a burger is technically healthier than farm raised salmon, is questionable. In my opinion, in either direction, but will concede that.

That said, had the parent stated that opting for a salad might be the healthier option, the argument of absent vitamin D would be a bit less compelling than it already is. One does not expect every conceivable nutrient from every meal. I do not support culinary dictatorship either, and for some, I remain convinced that a quality burger may, for some, be the healthier choice. But that was also not the premise of my argument. My argument was against the erroneous framing of "hamburger", to imply by decree of prejudice, that condiments and cheap bread define "hamburger". I have not been to a fastfood restaurant since the 1980s. I boycotted McDonald's as an 11 year-old. 'Billions Served' but not me.

For someone who wants to promote farm raised salmon, the argument against the parent could have been much more fair. And the fact that the parent was turning gray, compelled me to defend it with some measure of balance. And since I cannot upvote...

I will also address the anachronistic absurdity of ex post facto time-travel justice as indicated by the other comment -- I cannot be punished in the past for what I do in the future. By their own causal reasoning, maybe farm raised is not so healthy after all, as it appears to have potentially negative effects on one's reasoning capacity. It's 2026; we aren't time traveling quite yet... or, wait.. That really doesn't make sense. OK, I yield. It's time traveling. Burgers are bad. Farm raised salmon good.

Peace

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

weard_beard wrote: post #63
reenorap wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The connotation of drastic always being negative is through common usage and not strict definition. See: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drastically Using drastic in this instance is an appropriate, but rare, usage in a positive sense. You are correct that dramatic would be a more commonly used neutral synonym, but using drastic is technically just fine here. It is only slightly odd usage by common practic…

I think it is a very weird phrasing in this context

"drastically improved or completely eliminated"

because drastically often is a negative, improved often is a positive and increase, using a two word phrase were both words are essentially opposite of their common usage seems almost linguistic malpractice.

It would make much more sense to say either drastically decreased or dramatically decreased since the Or in the phrase indicates complete elimination.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by concrete_head »

gramie wrote: post #35

Recently there has been a push to farm "dry-land" salmon. In other words, the salmon live in large tanks on land, rather than in pens in the sea. At the moment a company is trying to start one of these close to me. Some local people are opposed, some are supportive, but most just want more objective study and information (i.e. not performed/paid for by the company itself). The devil may be in the implementation, but…

I'm no expert but that seems like it could be very energy intensive. All the systems to maintain water quality, temperature. Not to mention the problems that arise having fish in such high density.

There are other places in the world that farm salmon at a much lower density which helps in terms of disease and bioload on the environment. There's a company in New Zealand attempting to build open ocean fish pens, they might already have a prototype out already can't remember. Different species of salmon though.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by aassddddssaa »

peder wrote: post #69
Aurornis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Why would you think that? Ground beef typically has higher saturated fat than even farmed salmon and a lot less omega-3. A hamburger adds a refined carbohydrate bun and sauces on top of that. I think your political beliefs are overriding factual accuracy. > And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the food, farmed salmon would be g…

Absolutely valid to attack the political beliefs here. Farmed fish is somehow considered ecologically harmful but it's significantly less harmful than overfishing and allows for bringing extremely efficient, healthy food to the continental interior, which has the potential to reduce heart disease without medication. It's so narrow-minded to treat farmed fish as some moral failing.

Sushi in the middle of the desert (for example in Las Vegas) is and has never been ecological sustainable.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by cassepipe »

wefzyn wrote: post #71
stymaar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Points 2 and 3 kind of contradict themselves though, as China doesn't have access to deep sea (at least until the invasion of Taiwan or if China manage to take control of their claimed share of South China Sea).

China has the world’s largest distant-water fishing fleet, and Chinese vessels fish far beyond China's coastal waters like in South America, West Africa, Indian Ocean.

That's an interesting fact but that does not tell me anything about the possibility it has of raising salmon in its own waters

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by aassddddssaa »

mmaunder wrote: post #18

Salmon feed lots, with a similar problem of concentrated waste, cruelty and unhealthy animals. Sounds like the underwater egg solution they discuss in the article might also be solving an optics issue they have. Out of sight, out of mind.

Two salmons can feed 5000 men. At least that’s the belief 20% of the US population has.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by cassepipe »

Zigurd wrote: post #38
rsolva wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatty fish accumulates heavy metales and other unhealthy components and pregnant women in Norway is told to limit the intake. But it has been controversial, the industry is not happy with these recommendations!

I can see this being sensible regarding, for example, swordfish, which is long lived apex predator. They get the bio accumulation of everything they eat. Farm salmon has a short life and a controlled diet. Where would they get heavy metals?

From what I understand the fjord are relatively enclosed ecosystems and tend to accumulate stuff from the human acitivies around it
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