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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by ksec »

bronlund wrote: post #16
onesandofgrain wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Astaxanthin for the color fair. What about the salmon is bad for pregnant women?

Growth hormones. It’s better now than some years ago, but still. Some claim the do not use them at all. And they use a lot of antibiotics. And there is some accumulation of dioxins and PCBs in the fat due to the feed, but this has also been approved somewhat.

>Some claim the do not use them at all.

It is against the law in most if not all EU countries. It is also the dispute between US and EU agriculture trade.

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Post by reco98gg »

I am surprised by the statement "Today, salmon sushi is a staple of Japanese cuisine"

While in Japan a few years ago, I found no salmon on the menu in sushi places.

When inquiring why, we were told that salmon is not that good, and that is more a food for kids than adults. Did it change or are we just one data point?

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Post by learn_more »

panarky wrote: post #23
bronlund wrote: post #13

I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc. A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray. I could go on the whole day about…

> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. A sensational statement that is utterly false. Per 100g, Norwegian farmed salmon has 0.1x the sodium, 0.5x the saturated fat, 2x the protein, 20x the Omega-3 fatty acids and infinity-x the vitamin D of your hamburger. Farmed salmon is a minimally processed single-ingredient protein, while your hamburger is ultra-processed and packed with refine…

cooked salmon and cooked ground beef seem to have similar amounts of protein per my cursory research.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by petterroea »

There have been critical articles about the lice problem in Norwegian newspapers for years, so it's honestly relieving to finally see it talked about abroad. I've felt shameful whenever people talk about the "superior Norwegian salmon".

Hopefully international attention is what it takes for change to meaningfully happen beyond some R&D.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by gramie »

Recently there has been a push to farm "dry-land" salmon. In other words, the salmon live in large tanks on land, rather than in pens in the sea.

At the moment a company is trying to start one of these close to me. Some local people are opposed, some are supportive, but most just want more objective study and information (i.e. not performed/paid for by the company itself).

The devil may be in the implementation, but it certainly has some big advantages over the coastal pens.

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Post by eps »

eth0up wrote: post #29
panarky wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. A sensational statement that is utterly false. Per 100g, Norwegian farmed salmon has 0.1x the sodium, 0.5x the saturated fat, 2x the protein, 20x the Omega-3 fatty acids and infinity-x the vitamin D of your hamburger. Farmed salmon is a minimally processed single-ingredient protein, while your hamburger is ultra-processed and packed with refine…

Pardon, but how the hell is my hamburger packed with preservatives? And how, other than grinding, is it ultra processed, especially if the beef was given to me by a local rancher? I do not understand? And where the hell did the corn syrup come from? I never put Aunt Jemima on my burgers? Not even brown sugar. Where in the - Grass-fed beef - Sourdough bun - Lettuce - Tomato - Onion Is all this stuff you cite? Any cond…

Perfectly valid point actually, not sure why you are in gray.

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by eth0up »

Aurornis wrote: post #25
bronlund wrote: post #13

I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc. A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray. I could go on the whole day about…

> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Why would you think that? Ground beef typically has higher saturated fat than even farmed salmon and a lot less omega-3. A hamburger adds a refined carbohydrate bun and sauces on top of that. I think your political beliefs are overriding factual accuracy. > And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the food, farmed salmon would be g…

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by Zigurd »

rsolva wrote: post #22
onesandofgrain wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Astaxanthin for the color fair. What about the salmon is bad for pregnant women?

Fatty fish accumulates heavy metales and other unhealthy components and pregnant women in Norway is told to limit the intake. But it has been controversial, the industry is not happy with these recommendations!

I can see this being sensible regarding, for example, swordfish, which is long lived apex predator. They get the bio accumulation of everything they eat. Farm salmon has a short life and a controlled diet. Where would they get heavy metals?

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Post by stymaar »

ksec wrote: post #30

1. The Title should be "Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences". It fits the character limit, why change it? 2. A lot of the conditions for Salmon farming can be drastically improved or completely eliminated if they have done it further away in deep sea rather than coast. It just cost more. 3. China is rapidly improving their Salmon Farming so there isn't much to worry about for Norw…

Points 2 and 3 kind of contradict themselves though, as China doesn't have access to deep sea (at least until the invasion of Taiwan or if China manage to take control of their claimed share of South China Sea).

Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by anamexis »

ndr wrote: post #24
rsolva wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatty fish accumulates heavy metales and other unhealthy components and pregnant women in Norway is told to limit the intake. But it has been controversial, the industry is not happy with these recommendations!

I thought this was true for tuna and somewhat never registered it might be true for salmon too. I need to look this up and update, thank you.

Generally speaking, heavy metals accumulate as you move up the food chain, so it will be true for any large fish.
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