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Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Re: Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences

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Post by stymaar »

wahern wrote: post #87
stymaar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Points 2 and 3 kind of contradict themselves though, as China doesn't have access to deep sea (at least until the invasion of Taiwan or if China manage to take control of their claimed share of South China Sea).

You can farm fish outside territorial and exclusive economic zone waters. But in any event China has substantial EEZ waters: https://www.marineregions.org/gazetteer.php?p=details&id=848... Taiwan isn't much of a hindrance. For one thing, the Strait is 100 miles wide. And China's coast is much, much longer than Taiwan.

Check your map: with the exception a part of South China Sea that is a point of contention with Vietnam, China only has access to shallow water (For instance East China Sea is ~300m deep, which isn't significantly deeper than Norvay's Fjords).

On the contrary the eastern coast of Taiwan has access to very deep sea though.

(This is a well known geostrategic fact, as the small depths of Chinese water are a big weakness for their submarine fleet).

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ksec wrote: post #30

1. The Title should be "Norway became a global salmon behemoth. Now it's facing the consequences". It fits the character limit, why change it? 2. A lot of the conditions for Salmon farming can be drastically improved or completely eliminated if they have done it further away in deep sea rather than coast. It just cost more. 3. China is rapidly improving their Salmon Farming so there isn't much to worry about for Norw…

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Post by varjag »

bronlund wrote: post #13

I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc. A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray. I could go on the whole day about…

I remember meeting a Russian immigrant who thought Norwegian sour cream was synthetic because it wasn't watery as the one she had at home.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

gtowey wrote: post #56
freedom_dev wrote: post #47

"Sushi has been consumed in Japan for more than 1,000 years but the Japanese had historically preferred tuna, seeing raw salmon as parasite-ridden and unpleasant to the palette. " English isn't my first language and even I know "palette" is wrong. Is it normal for official news outlets to write stuff like this?

I'm a native English speaker and before your comment, I never noticed that palette, pallet, and palate are different words!

Comprehensive, or Grammar?

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Post by SiempreViernes »

medv wrote: post #101

> killed and slaughtered then you see this kind of language you know what this article gonna be is about

By the time you get to that phrase you are way past the middle of the article, so the fact you've read almost the entire article is probably the reason you know that it is about.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

which salmon organs would contain most of say the heavy metals? they could be selectively cut out, and any below-regulation levels sold (domestically and abroad) can be seen as a free heavy metal remediation effort in those bays and fjords.

Making a closed loop system possibly including IMTA either on land (why not right at the salmon processing facilities saving transport costs and assets like boats, its cheaper to have no vehicle to maintain) or in water like the "Eggs" described in the article sounds like a no-brainer for the industry, who cares about 10x capex when the bottleneck is not capex but bureaucracy to get expansion permits? Once you realize capex is not the bottleneck (you can reuse the new system), it allows a lot of other costs to be eliminated, like disease and parasites: commingling fish with expensive health monitoring and management at density ρ can be replaced with smaller cells, each cell their intake and exhaust tubing, and the reservoir contact rate falls precipitously for the same density ρ: is the switchover investment more expensive than the current system? yes, but growth isn't limited by capex. This switchover would be desirable (true damage like the harmful fish feces concentration is prevented; false damage like bioaccumulating harmful heavy metals inserted by other human activities becomes none of the fish farmer's problems at all). The taxation excuses will dry up.

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Post by giov4 »

funny, I tried to tell people and share with them about this salmon farming problem since many years, including quality, pollution, diseases and industrial feeding.

It is important to be aware of this and dont abuse salmon eating since imho some kind of risk is there, beside the negativity of its farming!

There are many documentaries online that show the core farming problem, it is interesting to see based on the article that this problems are becoming bigger and bigger and beside the lobbying hopefully there will be investments to solve it.

I'm surprised that a country like Norway and Norwegian people allow such abuse of the fjords and of the animal... but yeah I guess always same story, work for people, business, lobbying etc. if its oil, fish pig or cow the game is the same.

awareness is the first step, change is what is needed!

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Post by moomoo11 »

why don’t we just infuse tofu with all the nutrients and eat that?

hell i would pay for that. high protein extra firm tofu is like 2.70/lb for me.

i get about 35g protein from 8oz of that tofu.

i eat salmon 2x a week but most of my diet is tofu and beans/lentils for protein.

i think it would be far ecologically and financially better to have tofu enhanced, so it meets nutritional needs at low cost.

and i personally find tofu a lot more flexible than any other food.

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Post by pjc50 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #44
syoc wrote: post #9

Strange to have an article about salmon farming drawbacks without mentioning escaped salmons polluting the wild salmon population. There has been a strong decrease in wild salmon as they lose the ability to migrate back up the river to lay their eggs due to breeding with escaped farming salmon.

I suppose natural selection will act on those salmon that can't reproduce.

One possible outcome of that is the extinction of wild salmon.
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