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Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

plqbfbv wrote: post #100
Grombobulous wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China. The products aren’t “done.” They’re stagnant. Where is their proper 3 row SUV, not a hacked together half-effort like the YL? Where is their passenger premium van product for China? Remember that this is a company with a huge factory and presence in China, and they were the first mover in that market, but they’re getting eaten alive by co…

> I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China. Apparently not so much, the restyle and a consolidated assistance and charging network make people prefer it over the homemade products lately, which keep innovating but you essentially need to re-learn from scratch every time (my original source article is in Italian - https://www.vaielettrico.it/troppa-scelta-poca-fiducia-i-cin... ; t…

Judging by single model is going to make Tesla look better than it is when compared to badge engineering and/or whole platform sales. The MEB platform/ID.4 cross brand cousins outsell the Model Y.

BYD is likely moving a few hundred thousand more pure BEVs than Tesla each year, although it’s hard to gauge the exact mix given that they have hybrids and ICE vehicles.

I am not saying Tesla is in doomed in China or anything like that, they’re a top brand. But they should be definitively the #1 brand and their product lineup is short 2-3 models.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Freedom2 »

Grombobulous wrote: post #32

The US auto industry under its pro-oil policy incentives is in for a disastrous long-term outlook in exchange for short-term prosperity. At best, it’ll be a situation where the US market is segregated from the rest of the world: US auto consumers will be buying inferior vehicles from the rest of world that are more expensive to buy and own, since they will only be viable in the US market and will only be built in the…

In what way are US vehicles inferior? I've been told from many in the country that Americans make the hardiest, most rugged vehicles in the world, and everybody is clambering to get them.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

foogazi wrote: post #123
Grombobulous wrote: post #94

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I keep shouting from the rooftops that Tesla’s lack of offerings has them completely hamstrung. Tesla sells more vehicles than Mazda, and both brands are in a similar semi-premium non-luxury segment. Compare lineups between these brands. How does Mazda have 3.5 SUVs and Tesla only has 1.5? (The .5 is counting the CX-70 and CX-90, and the Y and YL as essentially the same car) Mazda is able to offer a sedan and hatchba…

> Tesla sells more vehicles than Mazda Isn’t that all that matters ?

My point is that they don’t have a wide enough breadth of models and that’s holding them back, and the fact that lower volume brands have more models and appeal to a wider range of customers helps demonstrate that.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Grombobulous »

slaw wrote: post #124
testing22321 wrote: post #122

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For now. The quota increases every year. And it’s very likely that If the orange idiot keeps threatening 50% tariffs on Canadian goods Ike he is now every two weeks then Canada will just drop the quota and open the floodgates.

Quota will be 70,000 vehicles per year in 2030. That's almost nothing.

I thought I read that this exact thing happened when Honda and Toyota arrived in the US: they started selling in Canada first.

This has happened over and over, really. See also: Hyundai and Kia.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Server6 »

dsunds wrote: post #116

I need to replace a 20 yr old Prius. I’d be a natural Tesla customer if not for Elon. All the BEV cars I like have been cancelled by their manufacturers. I want value and I keep my cars a long time. What should have been a slam dunk purchase has become disappointment. I’ll be buying another hybrid.

I'm trading in my 2018 Tesla Model 3 soon to buy a Rivian R2. It seems like the only real Tesla competitor actually coming to market.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by kccqzy »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #119
kccqzy wrote: post #79

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You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

Yes, I would blame the buyer for thinking it's important at this point. It's almost a meme response to EVs. All you need to do is an honest look at how many days a year you drive 500+ miles per day. People can't seem to do that and fixate on the ultra long distance road trip that they might make once per year. And neglecting to realize that they stop for bathroom breaks and food and so the actual time you're simply w…

No. You are presupposing a particular usage of a car and imposing that on a potential buyer. I take the train or bike to work, so for me my car is only for weekend trips. That’s why I bought the fastest-charging car available at that time.

Even for road trips there are different ways to approach it. Some people just want to get to their destination fast and don’t mind eating at wherever the charger is. Others take road trips differently and would want to eat at the best restaurant at each local town they pass through, which may not be where chargers are. And if there are many passengers the bathroom breaks are usually not aligned with when the car needs charging. The perfect scenario of getting food or bathroom breaks exactly when the car needs charging could be a rare scenario.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Danox »

aetherspawn wrote: post #49
jfengel wrote: post #42

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It is remarkable that a US company had an enormous lead in BEVs for a decade. Then they just kinda stopped innovating, and slid backwards.

Having owned a Model 3 I would argue that it’s basically “done” at this point, pending software updates for better FSD. It already charges in 20-30 min at Tesla chargers and has a practical range of around 600 kms, so super fast charging is a bit of a straw man. Their big downfall is they lack an advertising department willing to spend $1B on pro-electric propaganda to debunk all the Trump/big oil propaganda. IMO EVs…

They cost too much…

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by Danox »

Grombobulous wrote: post #131
plqbfbv wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this opinion fails to explain why Tesla is faltering so badly in China. Apparently not so much, the restyle and a consolidated assistance and charging network make people prefer it over the homemade products lately, which keep innovating but you essentially need to re-learn from scratch every time (my original source article is in Italian - https://www.vaielettrico.it/troppa-scelta-poca-fiducia-i-cin... ; t…

Judging by single model is going to make Tesla look better than it is when compared to badge engineering and/or whole platform sales. The MEB platform/ID.4 cross brand cousins outsell the Model Y. BYD is likely moving a few hundred thousand more pure BEVs than Tesla each year, although it’s hard to gauge the exact mix given that they have hybrids and ICE vehicles. I am not saying Tesla is in doomed in China or anythi…

They are doomed in China. It’s over for Tesla in China and it’s not just China. It’s the rest of the world outside the US doomed.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by ezfe »

brianwawok wrote: post #60
ezfe wrote: post #19

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> Best charging experience This isn't accurate - they charge slower and Plug & Charge is common in many vehicles now, including with the Tesla network - whereas Teslas cannot Plug & Charge on other networks.

Sure they can, you can buy a CCS adapter. You are limited a bit by 400V, but honestly I have never been able to not find a Tesla charger - and I’ve done 100k miles around the US over the last 5 years

Plug & Charge, referring to the ability to Plug in and automatically process payment, is what I am referring to.

Tesla cannot Plug & Charge on any non-Tesla network. Whereas other vehicles can Plug & Charge on Tesla networks. Therefor, the advantage is to everyone else.

Teslas have poor charging curves and are not cutting edge for charging performance. They are average.

Re: Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share

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Post by rstuart4133 »

emil-lp wrote: post #70
bashtoni wrote: post #13

Nearly 50% of vehicles sold in Australia in the last quarter were EVs or plug-in hybrids: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-02/electric-vehicle-ev-s...

A record for EV sales in Norway was set in 2025: 95.9 percent of all new passenger cars sold were fully electric, up from 88.9 percent in 2024.

Yes, Norway leads. But it's not an apples with apples comparison.

Norway is a smallish country (you can fit 24 Norway's in Australia - so less range anxiety), whose government pushed the transition to EV's hard. Australia has the worlds most competitive new car market and with one of the least restrictive emissions controls on ICE engines.

It's not that surprising that Norway's government engineered transition to EV's was successful. In Australia EV's became around the same price as ICE vehicles in the last 12 months, and it feels like we've hit a market driven tipping point.

If battery developments take their predicted path, with pricing dropping about 10% per years and range per unit weight doubling, it's difficult to see how it isn't all over bar the shouting - for USA car manufacturing.

Trump sealed the USA's fate, when his changes EV policies lead to $51B in direct write downs. I don't see how you can recover from that.

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