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The same mouse later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K8lrVjT6fM
warning: this shows a living mouse in a mouse trap.
Did you even watch the whole thing?
Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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In your comment and the ones responding to you there's an assumption that your partner's behavior is the bigger problem compared to your reaction to it. In my experience I've generally fucked things up precisely because my reaction was worse and inappropriate compared to what the partner did. I think I am "lucky" in that my wife is amazing and I don't have to be on-guard again truly malicious and inappropriate behavi…
Because they formed partnerships when they were young and didn't know any better. And then once things get going, it seems better to "go along to get along" than face the difficulty of change. In the US, we also have ideologies that say that one partner is supposed to be subservient to the other based on gender roles, and that makes things even more insane.
I am not sure about either of these things. The typical HN person doesn't seem to be someone who partnered young or was raised in anything like a "traditional US ideology"...
It mainly seems like their parents failed to pass on any cultural wisdom. Go along to get along is fine, very different than your "partner" severely transgressing upon you.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your comment and the ones responding to you there's an assumption that your partner's behavior is the bigger problem compared to your reaction to it. In my experience I've generally fucked things up precisely because my reaction was worse and inappropriate compared to what the partner did. I think I am "lucky" in that my wife is amazing and I don't have to be on-guard again truly malicious and inappropriate behavi…
Because they formed partnerships when they were young and didn't know any better. And then once things get going, it seems better to "go along to get along" than face the difficulty of change. In the US, we also have ideologies that say that one partner is supposed to be subservient to the other based on gender roles, and that makes things even more insane.
It is a trade-off. The benefits seems to outweigh the downsides, but it can still be painful. But we can try to alleviate the problems by using our rational mind.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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it absolutely is a habit, the fact that it affects you physiologically via pharma does not make it not a habit. a habit is something you do habitually, that is the exact definition of the word, and the reasons people do them vary wildly. I used heroin as an an extreme example. Going for a 5k jog every morning is also a habit that affects your brain chemistry, through different mechanisms, and can also be addictive. I…
Merriam-Webster does of course have addiction as a habit, but it singles it out as being different than other definitions https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/habit perhaps this is one of those definitions that are in flux and we are moving from taking drugs as a habit, to first having a drug habit, and soon, no longer a habit but an addiction. I would have to say that in light of the other definitions of habit…
this is a willful misreading of the dictionary. you are pointing to habit being used colloquially as a short hand for addiction , which of course it is, as demonstrated through this thread, and is plainly obviously used that way to anyone who has lived in the last 50 years.
if you want to play pedant paddle, explain the relationship between the words habitual and habit, write an essay, and submit to webster, to oxford and any of your favorite dictionary and try and get them to change the the top definition of habit to be a synonym for addiction.
In the meantime I'll get on with my life because I know what I said was perfectly clear and accurate.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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Taking heroin may be called “a habit” but it’s not a habit. It’s an addiction with physical and neurological elements.
it absolutely is a habit, the fact that it affects you physiologically via pharma does not make it not a habit. a habit is something you do habitually, that is the exact definition of the word, and the reasons people do them vary wildly. I used heroin as an an extreme example. Going for a 5k jog every morning is also a habit that affects your brain chemistry, through different mechanisms, and can also be addictive. I…
> a habit is something you do habitually
That soounds a tiny bit circular. Doesn't "habitually" mean to do something out of habit?
I'd suggest "habit" is something we often do, but don't really need to do, If it's something we have to do, like eating we don't call it a habit.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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it absolutely is a habit, the fact that it affects you physiologically via pharma does not make it not a habit. a habit is something you do habitually, that is the exact definition of the word, and the reasons people do them vary wildly. I used heroin as an an extreme example. Going for a 5k jog every morning is also a habit that affects your brain chemistry, through different mechanisms, and can also be addictive. I…
> habit is something you do habitually, that is the exact definition of the word That definition is too broad to be useful is absolutely not a definition used in the given context (psychology). Same goes for the examples, you can generalize statements to to get common denominators (affects the brain), but it's not useful to do so, it's misleading.
the examples I used were not generalized in any way at all. They were specifically picked examples that were at or approaching the limit of the definition, which is is a well known way of examining things in order to model them better.
if you want a more specific and narrow definition for certain classes of XYZ, you can do that, I wasn't trying to do that here.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
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it absolutely is a habit, the fact that it affects you physiologically via pharma does not make it not a habit. a habit is something you do habitually, that is the exact definition of the word, and the reasons people do them vary wildly. I used heroin as an an extreme example. Going for a 5k jog every morning is also a habit that affects your brain chemistry, through different mechanisms, and can also be addictive. I…
> a habit is something you do habitually That soounds a tiny bit circular. Doesn't "habitually" mean to do something out of habit? I'd suggest "habit" is something we often do, but don't really need to do, If it's something we have to do, like eating we don't call it a habit.
It's not circular, its just basic grammar, smooth, smoothly, spice, spicy.
Re: Unraveling the mysteries of habit formation
#49I was watching a Charlie Rocket interview today and I got a lot of inspiration from him. He made it a habit of staying positive, turning a loss into a win and always finding the upside. Instead of getting sucked into the despair, he takes a loss as a learning lesson. Good habits can be hard to find but once you get into the habit of something, it becomes super easy. Everything is hard to do -- if it was easy, everybo…
There's a fine line between what you described and toxic positivity. It's important not to ruminate on bad thoughts (when your proposal is a good replacement behavior), but it's also important not to bottle up natural human emotions as if they are unjustified or unreal. A thought exercise: if it wasn't your behavior that caused your own despair, but your spouse's behaviors that caused you irritation / grief. Do you t…
Don't date I think is the lesson here.
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Should it be? "New black hole observed" needs a mandatory "(with a radiotelescope)"? "Agentic AI is great" needs a mandatory "(according to my opinion)"? Lots of things we know about human physiology comes from animal studies. Mice are not just some random animal species. They are a model organism for humans, meaning that they are sufficiently close in many ways such that insights are transferable.
1. Your examples are very different; we know in both cases the qualifier. I clicked on the link fully expecting to read an article about people. 2. Mice are obviously a useful first test subject or they wouldn't be used; they are also different enough from humans for studies to have no guarantee of results transitioning either smoothly or at all to us. So yes, let's be more responsible with our link titles if the ori…
Your field of expertise is clearly not biomedical research. An article about results in mice is as close to article about humans as they get, except direct human studies. For ethical reasons lots of things can only directly be studied in model organisms.
Of course there is no guarantee. There never is in biology. Even if your study involves humans, there is bo guarantee that things apply to you or another cohort or are even reproducible. It's one data point and knowledge is built by gathering many of those which eventually paints a clearer picture.