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We desperately need to break Visa's stranglehold on access to the consumer side of commerce. As long as everyone's only innovating and competing on the merchant side of things, we're not really going to get anywhere.
Are you prepared to protect customers by refunding them if they are victims of fraud when using your payment system? Visa and MasterCard are prepared to do that. That's how they could convince consumers to use their cards without worrying.
A big win for Android interoperability
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Re: A big win for Android interoperability
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Who wants a bootleg Android that sends all your call logs who knows where? xD
Everyone who buys an Android phone. This is about the opposite, an option to buy a phone that does not do that.
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I'm starting to come the the same conclusion, but not for practical reasons. My thinking is about privacy. If I buy some chocolates from retailer X (with or without their loyalty system), these parties will know what I purchased and where: The retailer, the bank, the merchant (visa/mc), wallet provider (Google/Apple/Samsung). Any upstream 3rd parties for analytics, big data warehouses, ai companies (fraud detection,…
A card is a good step to reduce that. I want to go farther and pay cash as much as possible, but it's not trivial to manage when all I have is a pocket full of coins. Is there a 3D printed wallet with slots sized for European coins so you can quickly identify and extract the coins you need instead of rummaging through a mixed pocket?
I assume the same must exist for euros.
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You know that this is cope of Incompetent of European Homegrown software industry right ??? China literally backwater in 1970s, now they have some of the biggest software tech itw there is no excuse
I literally just told you why.
so European Union didn't exist ??? this is literally just an excuse
Re: A big win for Android interoperability
#135I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.
You are free to reverse engineer the whole system and find a way to make it work. The world will love you. I suspect there will be a Google hardware attestation at the core of it, but understanding how it works is still huge progress.
Google Wallet currently will not run on a fully updated grapheneOS.
Specifically it complains:
"Your device doesn't meet tap to pay security standards. It may be rooted or running uncertified software."
Which is fair. But something that actually works would be nice. I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon.
Not something I use very often, but not getting locked out of specific, not all, financial rails is one of those things that feels like it rubs up against the perpetual friction that the US founders, framers, whatever; didn't enshrine economic freedom in the same way as speech.
And maybe that's a libertarian fantasy. Idk. Seems worth thinking about for five seconds tho.
Bringing it back to reality. There are an incredible number of issues with trying to set up some kind of a competing service to Google Wallet to the extent that you might as well just go start a bank. And companies like simple have tried that and ended up bought by other banks at the end of it. And they weren't even trying to do anything other than offer people a banking app that wasn't total crap back in the day.
So realistically Google wallet or anything like that is not something I expect to use on a graphene OS phone until the graphene OS Motorola device comes out in the next few years. And that is entirely speculation that services like Google Wallet might be able to work on that device. But honestly it's the only real hope I personally hold for getting access to Modern payment systems on a secure device.
Re: A big win for Android interoperability
#136I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.
Walt https://walt.is/ is building exactly that in Europe. They claim first tap to pay will happen later this year. Some European banks including mine offer NFC payments via their app as well. You don't need Google services.
NAB here in Australia did previously as well, but then they stopped doing that in 2022.
https://www.zdnet.com/finance/banking/nab-waves-goodbye-to-n...
Re: A big win for Android interoperability
#137I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.
Re: A big win for Android interoperability
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Everyone who buys an Android phone. This is about the opposite, an option to buy a phone that does not do that.
I said bootleg Android didnt I? Are Android phones using mods or a complete revamped version?
Re: A big win for Android interoperability
#140I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.
Walt https://walt.is/ is building exactly that in Europe. They claim first tap to pay will happen later this year. Some European banks including mine offer NFC payments via their app as well. You don't need Google services.
Big if true. I guess the main problem is, would the banks from all over the world join in?
Fidesmo (https://fidesmo.com/consumer/fidesmo-pay/) has managed to sidestep this by integrating with Curve (https://www.curve.com/), which issues their own card and then charges your bank’s card from their end when you pay with theirs (tokenized and emulated by Fidesmo).
(Fidesmo also integrates with a whole bunch of banks directly, though mainly EU.)