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A big win for Android interoperability

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Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

It is? I haven’t carried my wallet around in years, because Apple Wallet does everything I need. Concert tickets, boarding passes, bank cards, public transport cards, etc. A physical wallet and cards in comparison feels like stone age technology.

Don't you still have to carry cards for things that aren't digitally excepted, such as a drivers license in most states?

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

You have to negotiate directly with Visa to convince them why they should accept your system. How will you convince them?

We desperately need to break Visa's stranglehold on access to the consumer side of commerce. As long as everyone's only innovating and competing on the merchant side of things, we're not really going to get anywhere.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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blows my mind that there’s not a single open solution for mobile wallets and nobody is saying anything.

Because a normal card is superior in most practical cases?

I'm starting to come the the same conclusion, but not for practical reasons. My thinking is about privacy. If I buy some chocolates from retailer X (with or without their loyalty system), these parties will know what I purchased and where: The retailer, the bank, the merchant (visa/mc), wallet provider (Google/Apple/Samsung). Any upstream 3rd parties for analytics, big data warehouses, ai companies (fraud detection, spending predictions), marketing companies, research companies, manufacturers. Then there are bluetooth beacons, microphones, cameras, facial recognition, keyboard/screen capture (Gboard, Samsung Keyboard, Whatsapp texts). Then there is sms and popup notification on device that gets ingested by x amount of systems too. So the whole pipe just exists to gather as much as possible data to sell me more stuff. Having a card will take some of them out of the loop or less rich metadata than using a digital wallet.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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Banks and card networks will only accept proprietary shitware as payment. Would you rather keep the malware confined to a separate processor chip or would you let it run on your phone?

In other words, would you like to have your physical card to be lost or stolen and someone paying with it? As small amounts don’t ask for a pin confirmation. Having my phone stolen is pretty much another level of attack.

Yes... that $25 if they manage to get even that before it is blocked I can live with. Loosing my phone, even if they can't do anything with it is a whole other scenario. Now I can't even get home.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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I don't care about any of these, I just want to be able to have whatever Google pay does without Google. You could claim that's not an android problem but if you do I don't think you've ever had to explain to people your phone doesn't have a Google Play store.

There's Curve Pay which works on GrapheneOS

The whole GrapheneOS thing is a bit of a joke. So you either have to buy google hardware or you run google software.

Anyway, looking forward to the widespread introduction of Wero. Maybe there will be some options for third party roms in the name of digital soveranity. Seems like they want to make the EUDI wallet for digital documents no-google capable for that reason at least.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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post #29

This is a fabulous ruling and the EU continues (for the moment at least) to be the biggest champion of holding corporations to account and pushing back on entrenched tech power. I know there are bunch of concerning things like chat control getting pushed through but at least there is a counterbalance in other areas as well.

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Show us recent rulings in the federal level in the US in favor of people/consumers and ill bail.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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This is all smoke and mirrors. The core issue is not "Google not allowing a feature", it's that small businesses cannot buy phones, install a patched version of Android without a restriction and sell them to make money. Until this problem is solved, everything else is palliative.

What prevents this? I always assumed they could.

Bootloaders are locked and most of them are unlockable.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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post #55

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There's Curve Pay which works on GrapheneOS

The whole GrapheneOS thing is a bit of a joke. So you either have to buy google hardware or you run google software. Anyway, looking forward to the widespread introduction of Wero. Maybe there will be some options for third party roms in the name of digital soveranity. Seems like they want to make the EUDI wallet for digital documents no-google capable for that reason at least.

You think Google puts backdoors in their hardware? They've consistently been one of the most open hardware brands since the start, always allowing bootloader unlocking and relocking and providing all required open source code. This is not the same as their software which is invasive spyware.

Re: A big win for Android interoperability

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post #52
post #45

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You have to negotiate directly with Visa to convince them why they should accept your system. How will you convince them?

We desperately need to break Visa's stranglehold on access to the consumer side of commerce. As long as everyone's only innovating and competing on the merchant side of things, we're not really going to get anywhere.

You're free to make your own card network. How will you convince banks to issue your cards and merchants to accept them?
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