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Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by 9x39 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #455
mlrtime wrote: post #356

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Work as a Manager in a large tech org and you will see very quickly how the company operates (HR / HRBP). The higher you go up the quicker you see that employees aren't looked at as people, but as numbers or dollars. My first manager job I was very naive, I went to HR to get help with directs. It was a bad idea, it put me and my direct at risk... never again. The sad truth is that the managers who actually care and w…

I am a manager. I have those conversations regularly (its my job). I have had tough conversations about if we should burn out an entire team or not, likely losing them, so i get it. My question was not about if it is true or not, but why people like saying it so much.

Nobody else bit, so I think it's a shared bitterness that unifies a naive group who challenged someone with real power through HR and lost.

Through multitudes of anecdotes, this group often apparently holds that conflict could be solved by going around someone, their supervisor, say, and invoking HR as if they had authority over the situation and would obviously correct the injustice. Having misplayed their hand, they end up feeling victimized through organizational discipline or firing and abandoned by the would-be savior HR. With the moral injury now upon them, they tell everyone this warning as if it were a great lie to be exposed.

Our bosses tend to be the primary relationship to manage in organizations. Just the way power works, and it mostly poses a problem when one party doesn't realize it and thinks relationships are optional.

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Post by 9x39 »

ruszki wrote: post #214
harvey9 wrote: post #208

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As long as it's a subculture that is tacitly approved by the group and by management.

For example? Because usually, people who say this have something in their mind about which they should rightfully be ashamed. Like people who want other people to have lesser rights.

Anything class, caste, race, gender, etc. clustered can draw fire if they aggravate group harmony and conformity enough to someone.

For example, I currently deal with the knife and gun collector crowd, hunting fans, weed guys, even genz sneaker aficionados bring the ire of various classes or camps that are more dominant at workplaces.

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Post by itake »

72deluxe wrote: post #394
itake wrote: post #250

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I worked remotely with only seeing my team a few times per year. During our last offsite, I looked around the 80+ person room and realized that I just don't enjoy working with any of these people.

I wonder if we should "enjoy" it, or whether it's just that we can't relate to the other people in the slightest when in person? I work from home and very very very rarely do I go into the office, but when I do it's quite pleasant and all but I am glad to be free of the social environment; I am there to solve things and get stuff fixed and working, not make new friends. I don't mean that nastily - I mean I go to work…

Put more simply, I certainly wasn't the smartest person the in the room, but I felt close to it...

Most people were younger than me. Over time, the company laid off or pushed out many of the experienced and smart colleagues I had joined to work with, replacing them with less experienced employees.

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Post by ruszki »

9x39 wrote: post #502
ruszki wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example? Because usually, people who say this have something in their mind about which they should rightfully be ashamed. Like people who want other people to have lesser rights.

Anything class, caste, race, gender, etc. clustered can draw fire if they aggravate group harmony and conformity enough to someone. For example, I currently deal with the knife and gun collector crowd, hunting fans, weed guys, even genz sneaker aficionados bring the ire of various classes or camps that are more dominant at workplaces.

What is the reason for that anger?

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Post by SkiFire13 »

kakacik wrote: post #268
SkiFire13 wrote: post #221

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I've mostly seen "retreat" being used for cases where you go on a pseudo-vacation with collegues paid by your company, with or without pseudo-therapy bullshit. I've been on a couple of them (without the bullshit) and people did indeed open up and bonded, but I should note that the conditions for this were positive in the first place (i.e. we weren't trying to invert some negative situation).

Nothing that can't be achieved over couple of beers after work, thats how (not only) Czechs do it and it generally works very well. Bonus points if you can get customers for such event too, a lot of things can be figured out quickly instead of corporate meetings.

We do that too sometimes but it doesn't create the same kind of memories as spending a week in a tropical paradise or going on some kind of adventure together.

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #467
lelanthran wrote: post #387

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> Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human. Work is not a safe space. The people who say they want everyone to feel safe in their speech usually (actually, almost always) want people who agree with them on > family, their disabilities, th…

Pretty much this. For those of us who had to live through the Great Awokening in places like San Francisco, the workplace became a place to be questioned and re-educated in your political and moral beliefs, unless you already had the correct opinion. Except, even if you did, you could always be just a little purer. You could show off to your coworkers how you were a better ally than them, maybe they would be as good…

What a load of bollocks.

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

sssilver wrote: post #190
bsimpson wrote: post #139

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"Bring your whole self to work" was HR virtue signaling to the people favored by DEI, when it was still en vogue.

I always observed that as "bring your whole self, as long as your whole self exhibits the exact same behavior and demeanor as every other corporate employee, ideally wrapped in uniquely colored skin for beautiful decorum".

I've always understood it as talking about your hobbies sometimes, and where you had your vacation, what you did there, etc.

If you're racist or passionately hate such and such people, obviously that's not what was meant. Nobody wants this.

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Post by reactordev »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #455
mlrtime wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Work as a Manager in a large tech org and you will see very quickly how the company operates (HR / HRBP). The higher you go up the quicker you see that employees aren't looked at as people, but as numbers or dollars. My first manager job I was very naive, I went to HR to get help with directs. It was a bad idea, it put me and my direct at risk... never again. The sad truth is that the managers who actually care and w…

I am a manager. I have those conversations regularly (its my job). I have had tough conversations about if we should burn out an entire team or not, likely losing them, so i get it. My question was not about if it is true or not, but why people like saying it so much.

people say it often because people don't learn the lesson. The messaging is human centric and there to make it sound like they are there for you. They aren't.

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Post by reactordev »

mancerayder wrote: post #398
energy123 wrote: post #215

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The workplace is one of the best places to find your spouse. It's where you spend most of your time and where you're most likely to meet someone with similar interests to you in the same location. It's anti-human to treat the workplace as this clinical saferoom with no relationships.

In the US, it's an extremely dangerous place to look for a spouse. I've seen some ugly situations. Maybe it's better to look for a spouse when the job market favors employees - that way, when you need to leave after the breakup, you can find a new job. Also, in IT there's not a very diverse group of people to search from. When it comes to women, the ratio of hetero men to hetero women is insanely not favorable.

same advice as "work hard and you'll be rewarded" which is only true to a degree.

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Post by reactordev »

dozerly wrote: post #494
reactordev wrote: post #337

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I take the defensive sarcasm as confirmation of my position.

Wouldn’t say it was defensive, I just doubt that you’re a fun guy to work with if you treat everyone around you in a corporate environment as hostile entities that are seeking to destroy you. You can have friends that are coworkers. Relationships can exist outside of a coworking relationship.

not being a friend does not automatically make one an enemy. Actively sabotaging projects and meetings does. Telling me, without knowing me, that I'm not a fun guy to work with simply because I say corporate america is not on your side is exactly the kind of mentality that makes me restate my position on it. Relationships exists at all levels. Not all relationships have to be parental or day-camp style bffs.
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