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Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by unwise-exe »

thot_experiment wrote: post #52

It always surprises me when people don't understand that the employee-employer relationship is an adversarial one. Unless you're in a democratic co-op or similar your employer is the enemy and you should never forget that. The correct move is to try to screw them in every legal way at every turn because that is what they are doing to you. Never divulge any information that increases your attack surface, always try to…

>>> This is capitalism 101.

No, it's really not.

The entire point of capitalism is free enterprise and freedom of association. The way to apply that to employer / employee relationships is to recognize that you are not a serf bound to a single employer and keep half an eye on your options in case you ever tire of your current relationship.

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Post by waste_monk »

riddlemethat wrote: post #199

Last retreat I went on the CFO drove drunk around 350 miles to get there. The CEO insisted on heavy drinking for everyone. Then he ordered one of everything on the menu the next morning at a Cracker Barrel for himself and wasted a ton of food. I found out he had a cocaine addiction about a month before the company was acquired. They also had orgies in the office break rooms and gave out a machete to everyone as a Chr…

>They also had orgies in the office break rooms and gave out a machete to everyone as a Christmas gift

Hopefully not at the same time, otherwise there would be opportunity for many kinds of unfortunate mishaps.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Post by energy123 »

Johnny555 wrote: post #57

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

HR justifying their own bloat. The staff and shareholders pay the price. Agency conflict of interest. The fault is with the CEO for not getting HR in line.

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Post by ruszki »

harvey9 wrote: post #208
ksenzee wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human.

As long as it's a subculture that is tacitly approved by the group and by management.

For example? Because usually, people who say this have something in their mind about which they should rightfully be ashamed. Like people who want other people to have lesser rights.

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Post by energy123 »

reactordev wrote: post #43

Your company, your coworkers, are not your friends. HR is not there for you, it's to protect the company from you. Do not disclose personal information to those who control your livelihood. Once you leave or if you build up a personal relationship with a coworker, outside of work, then maybe. Even still. I will never divulge what I have been through simply because corporate wants to be "inclusive".

The workplace is one of the best places to find your spouse. It's where you spend most of your time and where you're most likely to meet someone with similar interests to you in the same location. It's anti-human to treat the workplace as this clinical saferoom with no relationships.

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Post by nekusar »

garciasn wrote: post #53
tlogan wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would strongly discourage anyone from making things up. I have participated in these exercises, and many people simply said, “I really have nothing to share that would interest you.” Those were the people others respected the most. They might share personal things with close friends, but they had a clear definition of what friendship meant. In other words, be a person of character. It is perfectly fine not to be fr…

The problem is that responding that way could be seen as anti-social and counter to the cultural identity of the organization. Companies will use everything and anything against you when they believe it’s time for you to go.

Thats why I said to make up something mildly embarrassing and completely average normal happening.

Unless you admit it, you wont be caught in a lie. And you seem "normal" to whatever litmus test of sharing something.

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Post by thot_experiment »

unwise-exe wrote: post #211
thot_experiment wrote: post #52

It always surprises me when people don't understand that the employee-employer relationship is an adversarial one. Unless you're in a democratic co-op or similar your employer is the enemy and you should never forget that. The correct move is to try to screw them in every legal way at every turn because that is what they are doing to you. Never divulge any information that increases your attack surface, always try to…

>>> This is capitalism 101. No, it's really not. The entire point of capitalism is free enterprise and freedom of association. The way to apply that to employer / employee relationships is to recognize that you are not a serf bound to a single employer and keep half an eye on your options in case you ever tire of your current relationship.

My freedom to choose an employer is orthogonal to the incentive structures within in that relationship.

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #138
Johnny555 wrote: post #57

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

These often happened on weekends and I used to simply ask my manager about the days off for this and answer often was a shocked face and a no. So I rarely attended those.

Work should be time-bounded. Weekends should generally be off limit, even if it supposed to be a "fun" work thing.

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Post by Plont »

joe_the_user wrote: post #207
ksenzee wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not your whole self, but I'd like the people I work with to feel safe talking about their family, their disabilities, their religion, their culture or subculture, the things they love doing, whatever makes them human.

Employers who expect to know things about employee's personal lives are despicable. I expect to accomplish my tasks. I can be friendly, polite and humorous but you don't need to know anything about how I live. The main factor is a boss or supervisor can act on their judgement of an employee and employees do not have the same leverage.

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