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If other websites exist about this topic, why are these two specifically being censored and by who? If abortion is legal (within a set of guidelines), what laws exist that these sites are breaking or close to breaking that might lead them to be censored?
Mailing out prescription drugs without a prescription.
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And in Italy, she has 90 days to do it legally and for free. And please stop that rape red herring. The overwhelming majority of abortions are carried out as contraceptive methods.
Even so, you are deliberately dismissing rape victims that got pregnant[1], what is their recourse? Or do you just care about the rights of a fetus while it's in utero and then they're on their own as soon as they pop out? [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
To have the legally available and free abortion that is offered within the first 90 days of their rape?
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Even so, you are deliberately dismissing rape victims that got pregnant[1], what is their recourse? Or do you just care about the rights of a fetus while it's in utero and then they're on their own as soon as they pop out? [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
> Even so, you are deliberately dismissing rape victims that got pregnant[1], what is their recourse? To have the legally available and free abortion that is offered within the first 90 days of their rape?
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I don't think GP was making that argument (well, I didn't read it that way). He's just saying that access may not be easy. [EDIT: I see GP did reply to parent, and he apparently was making that asinine argument :-/ Oh well, at least I interpreted original GP comment charitably]
of course doctors should not be forced, that's ridiculous, but the SSN should prioritise hiring non-objecting doctors, at least in areas where there isn't enough coverage (in the same way it should prioritise hiring other specialities as needed).
I agree, they should!
But what do you do if your society just does not have enough people (nevermind doctors) who share the beliefs of pro-choicers?
At the point where you cannot find enough people to carry out an order for one side of an issue, it's a signal that the society itself has already taken a stand on the issue.
Abortion is legal in this country, and any woman can go to the hospital (as in the ER), or at a consultorio familiare to initiate the process. Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter. As to why these two websites were rendered inaccessible it beats me, as there are many other local alternatives one may peruse, and they're all accessible. Hell, even the Italian Government Website h…
> Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter. Maybe they are free of charge, idk, but they doesn't seem to be free of judgement. From the article: Even if an abortion seeker is within the 12 week gestational limit and has access to a local hospital, a doctor can turn them away on the basis of conscientious objection, which legally allows any doctor to deny a patient an abortion on mo…
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> Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter. Maybe they are free of charge, idk, but they doesn't seem to be free of judgement. From the article: Even if an abortion seeker is within the 12 week gestational limit and has access to a local hospital, a doctor can turn them away on the basis of conscientious objection, which legally allows any doctor to deny a patient an abortion on mo…
Should doctors be forced to perform abortions they don't condone?
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They are just applying the same logic behind all prescription medication to abortion pills. To this day, despite having taken them for the past 30 years, I still require a new prescription for Adderall because society deemed the addiction risk too high to avoid inserting a doctor into the equation every 30 days. Abortifacients can cause the death of the person taking them. That’s something no one wants. Can some peop…
He is talking about abortion writ large, not the relative risk of a specific medication. He’s even making an appeal to the “heart beat rule.”
So I deliberately chose to steel-man the argument.
They are of course free to destroy their credibility and end civil discussion, but I didn't want to do it for them.
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Because if you believe this fetus to be a human life then it follows believing that if it is terminated, it is akin to murder/infanticide. I don't know why people are being so (deliberatively?) reductive ITT.
Yes but... you used the word "belief". Nothing scientific there. If the mother was raped and knows for sure she will not bring up her rapist's kid ... or if there is a possibility that letting the baby be born will kill the mother, MY belief is to follow the mother's wishes. It's her body and her life.
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> Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter. Maybe they are free of charge, idk, but they doesn't seem to be free of judgement. From the article: Even if an abortion seeker is within the 12 week gestational limit and has access to a local hospital, a doctor can turn them away on the basis of conscientious objection, which legally allows any doctor to deny a patient an abortion on mo…
Should doctors be forced to perform abortions they don't condone?
Should doctors be forced to perform they don't ~~condone~~[A:believe is medically safe and appropriate for a diagnosis|B:wish to support or endorse on non-medical grounds].
To me, and for most reasonable people I've properly been able to have a conversation with on this subject, the answer is universally an emphatic NO for the vast majority of possible procedures P, in both cases A and B. However, where things diverge is that most people believe there should be consequences for the doctor refusing on grounds B to perform a procedure other doctors would consider to fit the criteria of A, for virtually every P I've thought of. These consequences typically include removal of their license to practice medicine, and may include civil or criminal penalties in egregious cases where a doctor might claim religious objection to something like CPR in a situation where they were the only doctor working at an ER and the CPR was clearly medically necessary, for example.
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And in Italy, she has 90 days to do it legally and for free. And please stop that rape red herring. The overwhelming majority of abortions are carried out as contraceptive methods.
Even so, you are deliberately dismissing rape victims that got pregnant[1], what is their recourse? Or do you just care about the rights of a fetus while it's in utero and then they're on their own as soon as they pop out? [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...