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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

rootusrootus wrote: post #66
diogenescynic wrote: post #54

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Sure, but that's not the point. My point is that infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries for no apparent reason. We spend a million dollars of tax payer funds to build one single public bathroom in LA or even more in SF. There's something fundamentally broken... I appreciate seeing cost effective solutions that actually works. In California, it seems like most governm…

> infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries Is that really true? For a simple example, it looks like a simple surface light rail line in the US typically runs about 100M/mi. That's pretty much the same as what it costs in the UK.

I may be exaggerating the exact number, but it's a well known fact that infrastructure costs more in California. The subway in San Francisco's Chinatown was more expensive than most modern airports... we're being scammed.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by [deleted] »

diogenescynic wrote: post #70
rootusrootus wrote: post #65

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> new public university I assume you meant to say building, yes? > added more light rail somewhere it's desperately needed like Orange County or San Diego In San Diego, 115M would get you what, half a mile of light rail?

You're making my argument for me. Infrastructure costs in California are outrageously more expensive than any other developed country--for no reason other than grift.

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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by bix6 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #71
rootusrootus wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries Is that really true? For a simple example, it looks like a simple surface light rail line in the US typically runs about 100M/mi. That's pretty much the same as what it costs in the UK.

I may be exaggerating the exact number, but it's a well known fact that infrastructure costs more in California. The subway in San Francisco's Chinatown was more expensive than most modern airports... we're being scammed.

You’re exaggerating well known facts? Bro get some facts in here instead of just spewing anti California rhetoric.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by bix6 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #56
bix6 wrote: post #20

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Ok what’s your solution? I’m seeing more and more wild life bridges and tunnels so clearly the engineers think they work.

Or maybe it's just a good project for lawyers and lobbyists to get kickbacks...

What are you even on about dude…

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by bix6 »

diogenescynic wrote: post #70
rootusrootus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> new public university I assume you meant to say building, yes? > added more light rail somewhere it's desperately needed like Orange County or San Diego In San Diego, 115M would get you what, half a mile of light rail?

You're making my argument for me. Infrastructure costs in California are outrageously more expensive than any other developed country--for no reason other than grift.

https://transitcosts.com/transit-costs-study-final-report/

Wow look New York is expensive too! It’s almost like it’s the entire country and there are other reasons besides grift.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by bix6 »

asdff wrote: post #47
tokai wrote: post #11

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This is a solution specifically for arboreal animals, while the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing is explicitly for mountain lions.

I think the idea of more opportunities to cross is good but the pricetag is absurd still. After all, they are terraforming a hillside. I think it is a little misplaced though. We assume animals need this to cross but it seems they can take a regular old bridge just fine. You can probably build a cheap "animal only" overpass, e.g. maybe a light load mesh metal or plank bridge or somesuch, for a fraction the cost and o…

Do you know how much accidents cost? $100M is nothing in comparison over the long term. Plus this was a 10 lane overpass and a unique build during a high inflation period. That is not simple terraforming amigo.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by ofalkaed »

dmix wrote: post #5

I remember reading that back in the day North America used to have more trees and dense vegetation that squirrels rarely touched the ground since that was more dangerous for them, so they would use the trees like highways.

Tree squirrels are big on digging, they bury food for later retrieval and eat a good amount of terrestrial foods. You regularly see them on the ground even in dense forest. Flying squirrels stick more to the trees but their gliding ability means dense forest is not a requirement for avoiding the ground.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by smj-edison »

dylan604 wrote: post #60
hombre_fatal wrote: post #51

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There are infinite alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral, like remove the parts where innocent people are punished on someone else’s behalf (raped, stoned, killed) or commanded to enslaved others and take virgins as the spoils of war. Thankfully over the centuries some people have used their human moral intuitions to gloss over some of the worst parts. But would’ve been much nicer to not have th…

> alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral this is brilliant. The book that is supposed to the be the word on morality needs edits. I can hear the religious right gathering their pitchforks and tiki lights now. It's a perfect book written by the almighty. But for those that don't drink that particular kool-aid it's a self evident observation since it's a book of cherry picked stories by a group of…

Depends how you interpret it tbh. At least in my tradition the focus is on seeing the good, bad, and ugly of history. There's many bible stories that are more cautionary tales than role models.

Now to be fair, there's also examples of God (as portrayed by the writers) being vindictive and harsh. I don't have great answers for that, but I do wonder how much it is seeing through their perspective of the situation and how much it was God. (I obviously come at this as a believer).

As to being the only moral text... I certainly hope it's not, because we've learned a lot since then, and I hope what's considered truth can expand beyond one book.

EDIT: not to dismiss your points, just to say that some of us view it in a more nuanced way.

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Post by echelon_musk »

harimau777 wrote: post #46
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

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I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

A lot of Christians argue that it does say exactly that. In Genesis 2:15, God tells Adam to care for the planet: The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. Of course fundamentalists tend not to see it that way.

> Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 2:15

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by andrepd »

infogulch wrote: post #37
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

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I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

"be fruitful" and "replenish the earth" is already aligned As for "subdue", ask anyone maintaining a large garden how much they have to work to keep it from reverting back to a wilderness. Gardening is choosing which species stay and which are forcibly removed and optimizing the environment to enable your chosen species to thrive. If the words "subdue" and "dominion" freak you out, pick your brains up off the floor a…

Jesus, what a bizarrely aggressive response.
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