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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by hombre_fatal »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10
ynac wrote: post #3

We just had our first bear crossing on a wildlife here in the Northwest. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/first-black-bear-u... I know these things are more complicated than they seem at first, but whenever these stories surface, I immediately go to an idealistic childhood cartoon land where we have a prime directive that tells us to go forth(!) and watch out for each other!

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

There are infinite alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral, like remove the parts where innocent people are punished on someone else’s behalf (raped, stoned, killed) or commanded to enslaved others and take virgins as the spoils of war.

Thankfully over the centuries some people have used their human moral intuitions to gloss over some of the worst parts. But would’ve been much nicer to not have those parts at all.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by kitd »

diogenescynic wrote: post #9

California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.

Not exactly apples to oranges though, is it?

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

kitd wrote: post #52
diogenescynic wrote: post #9

California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.

Not exactly apples to oranges though, is it?

Sure, but that's not the point. My point is that infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries for no apparent reason. We spend a million dollars of tax payer funds to build one single public bathroom in LA or even more in SF. There's something fundamentally broken... I appreciate seeing cost effective solutions that actually works. In California, it seems like most government 'solutions' are a complete scam to divert tax dollars into someone's pet project and create a funnel for their own income/profit.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by user- »

mr_toad wrote: post #39
lotsofpulp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tribe with the bible that directed to multiply would have conquered the tribe with the bible that directed respect the earth and all living beings because back then, might was proportional to population.

“ It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?” - Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune

better to attribute it to God Emperor Leto Atreides II , not Frank Herbet the author

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

bix6 wrote: post #20
diogenescynic wrote: post #9

California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.

Ok what’s your solution? I’m seeing more and more wild life bridges and tunnels so clearly the engineers think they work.

Or maybe it's just a good project for lawyers and lobbyists to get kickbacks...

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

megaloblasto wrote: post #12
diogenescynic wrote: post #9

California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.

Whoa that's awesome. I didn't know California had one of those. Keeps animals, humans, and cars safe and looks beautiful too.

At the cost of $115M we could have built a new public university or added more light rail somewhere it's desperately needed like Orange County or San Diego. I am not against land crossings for animals, but the way the government just blows tax money with no accountability on projects the public has almost no direct benefit from is quite extraordinary.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by embedding-shape »

harimau777 wrote: post #45
culi wrote: post #8

Just wanna say, Monga Bay is an incredible publication that doesn't get enough attention. As someone who follows a lot of environmental news, they routinely cover important topics and do original journalism on stories I hear nowhere else. Their YouTube channel is full of extremely high quality videos that often get less than 2k views. I would highly recommend checking them out https://www.youtube.com/@MongabayTV/vide…

How do they tend to clock in on the doomer scale? I'm trying to find alternatives to the regular news that don't feed my doomerism.

I meant look at the titles of the recent videos, it's all about disaster recovery/prevention, saving wildlife & nature and getting the perspective from native populations, some stuff will be happy, some stuff will indirectly/directly be not so happy. Maybe I wouldn't call it "happy news", maybe "pensive" is more fitting?

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by manquer »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #13
korijn wrote: post #2

For one moment there I thought Amazon had done a good thing!

Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle. It's really not too hard to create a new name for your company, e.g. Microsoft, Facebook and Nvidia.

Related - companies named after animals or use animal names as part of their name /logo /mascot should at least contribute a share of their profits to its conservation

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by dylan604 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #51
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

There are infinite alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral, like remove the parts where innocent people are punished on someone else’s behalf (raped, stoned, killed) or commanded to enslaved others and take virgins as the spoils of war. Thankfully over the centuries some people have used their human moral intuitions to gloss over some of the worst parts. But would’ve been much nicer to not have th…

> alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral

this is brilliant. The book that is supposed to the be the word on morality needs edits. I can hear the religious right gathering their pitchforks and tiki lights now. It's a perfect book written by the almighty. But for those that don't drink that particular kool-aid it's a self evident observation since it's a book of cherry picked stories by a group of people to push their agenda.

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