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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by rbanffy »

infogulch wrote: post #37
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

"be fruitful" and "replenish the earth" is already aligned As for "subdue", ask anyone maintaining a large garden how much they have to work to keep it from reverting back to a wilderness. Gardening is choosing which species stay and which are forcibly removed and optimizing the environment to enable your chosen species to thrive. If the words "subdue" and "dominion" freak you out, pick your brains up off the floor a…

> so it altered the environment

The motorway was not a natural occurrence, and neither cars or trucks evolved naturally. Humans went there and installed a limited fix for the destruction they caused in the first place.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by gambiting »

mr_toad wrote: post #39
lotsofpulp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tribe with the bible that directed to multiply would have conquered the tribe with the bible that directed respect the earth and all living beings because back then, might was proportional to population.

“ It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?” - Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune

Which is kinda hilarious given that despite being called a tyrant, Leto II had basically created a post scarcity society that was almost entirely castrated of violence or capacity for it. He kept chastising people for that desire to tame those base instincts but he was doing the exact same thing. It's just a funny thing to quote given the context of his character.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by hodgesrm »

em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #13
korijn wrote: post #2

For one moment there I thought Amazon had done a good thing!

Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle. It's really not too hard to create a new name for your company, e.g. Microsoft, Facebook and Nvidia.

> Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle.

Hard disagree. Consider "Oracle," a truly inspired name for a database company. It's an admirable choice. Here's the computer science definition.

> In complexity theory and computability theory, an oracle machine is an abstract machine that can query a black box called an oracle, which is able to give an answer to any instance of a certain problem in a single operation.

There's also the wealth of linkages with classical oracles, e.g., Delphi, Cumae (technically a Sibyl), Dodona, etc. [1] Taken together, it's hard to think of a better name.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by harimau777 »

culi wrote: post #8

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How do they tend to clock in on the doomer scale? I'm trying to find alternatives to the regular news that don't feed my doomerism.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by harimau777 »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10
ynac wrote: post #3

We just had our first bear crossing on a wildlife here in the Northwest. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/first-black-bear-u... I know these things are more complicated than they seem at first, but whenever these stories surface, I immediately go to an idealistic childhood cartoon land where we have a prime directive that tells us to go forth(!) and watch out for each other!

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

A lot of Christians argue that it does say exactly that. In Genesis 2:15, God tells Adam to care for the planet:

The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.

Of course fundamentalists tend not to see it that way.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by asdff »

tokai wrote: post #11
diogenescynic wrote: post #9

California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.

This is a solution specifically for arboreal animals, while the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing is explicitly for mountain lions.

I think the idea of more opportunities to cross is good but the pricetag is absurd still. After all, they are terraforming a hillside. I think it is a little misplaced though. We assume animals need this to cross but it seems they can take a regular old bridge just fine. You can probably build a cheap "animal only" overpass, e.g. maybe a light load mesh metal or plank bridge or somesuch, for a fraction the cost and offer many fold more crossing opportunities across more of the freeway vs just one big budget spectacle. I'm sure the contractor was connected in some way. A sort of storm drain like underpass design would probably also be cheap if done during routine freeway work.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by tokai »

asdff wrote: post #47
tokai wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a solution specifically for arboreal animals, while the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing is explicitly for mountain lions.

I think the idea of more opportunities to cross is good but the pricetag is absurd still. After all, they are terraforming a hillside. I think it is a little misplaced though. We assume animals need this to cross but it seems they can take a regular old bridge just fine. You can probably build a cheap "animal only" overpass, e.g. maybe a light load mesh metal or plank bridge or somesuch, for a fraction the cost and o…

Instead of guessing you could look into the research literature on animal road crossings. Its a surprisingly large area of study because it is hard to get animals to use these constructions. Maybe they did a bad and expensive job, but you have nothing to base that on at all.

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Post by Etheryte »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #23
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

The tribe with the bible that directed to multiply would have conquered the tribe with the bible that directed respect the earth and all living beings because back then, might was proportional to population.

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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by nilamo »

GaryBluto wrote: post #30
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle. It's really not too hard to create a new name for your company, e.g. Microsoft, Facebook and Nvidia.

If you count Google as an appropriation of Googol, surely Nvidia appropriates Invidia?

Those are different though? At no point in that sentence was I confused about which word meant what. Unlike Amazonian datacenters deep in the Amazon's Amazon.
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