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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by sigmoid10 »

Agingcoder wrote: post #280
novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

Yeah I tried to have a conversation about security yesterday with Claude and it immediately stopped me - I was taken aback, I didn’t expect it at all. This is highly problematic.

I found GPT 5.3 was the last model that was sufficiently competent and still open to discuss security on my own github repos. 5.4 started refusing to even look at potential problems, albeit not consistently. I'm considering a Kimi subscription, but I know many employers will simply not be on board with this and I don't know if I get enough personal use out of this for the few things I run on servers. When those companies realize what they're currently missing out on, it will be a game-changer.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by novaleaf »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #301
Agingcoder wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I tried to have a conversation about security yesterday with Claude and it immediately stopped me - I was taken aback, I didn’t expect it at all. This is highly problematic.

I found GPT 5.3 was the last model that was sufficiently competent and still open to discuss security on my own github repos. 5.4 started refusing to even look at potential problems, albeit not consistently. I'm considering a Kimi subscription, but I know many employers will simply not be on board with this and I don't know if I get enough personal use out of this for the few things I run on servers. When those compa…

keep in mind that Kimi trains on your data, so if you care about that, sandbox what it has access to.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by novaleaf »

rmast wrote: post #279
novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

Was it applying to the program for an organization or individual? The description for the individual application page makes it sound pretty straightforward compared to getting access for an organization.

I applied for individuals. I did their verification steps and answered questions in a few minutes, so that was indeed easy. The problem is that was all that happened. No followup, no access, no denial. When I tried to reapply it tells me I can't apply again.

OpenAi (and Anthropic) have no incentive to allow security access to individuals. I'm not a deep-pocket org or influential gov agency. Allowing individuals increases the risk of bad press (what if I do something naughty and talk about it?) so best to ignore us.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by gck1 »

Agingcoder wrote: post #280
novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

Yeah I tried to have a conversation about security yesterday with Claude and it immediately stopped me - I was taken aback, I didn’t expect it at all. This is highly problematic.

Claude's "I'm going to draw the line here", "This is where I'm going to hold the ground" always rubs me the wrong way. Classifiers rejecting a request are one thing, but there's something very troubling about machine saying "I'm going to draw the line".

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by whycome »

gck1 wrote: post #304
Agingcoder wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I tried to have a conversation about security yesterday with Claude and it immediately stopped me - I was taken aback, I didn’t expect it at all. This is highly problematic.

Claude's "I'm going to draw the line here", "This is where I'm going to hold the ground" always rubs me the wrong way. Classifiers rejecting a request are one thing, but there's something very troubling about machine saying "I'm going to draw the line".

Lol that’s so hostile. It’s insane how much the language of these models create real unaddressed human reactions.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by novaleaf »

yako21000 wrote: post #278
novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

How much do both cost together? Claude Code alone is 200 bucks a month... I'm satisfied with the 100 buck subscription for now with headroom

Yeah it's not cheap, it's just the normal $200 subs for each.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by Danox »

jononor wrote: post #299
bee_rider wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, that’s interesting. I think the general expectation was that blocking exports to China would result in companies there building their own cards competing with NVIDIA. If it has incentivized them to release open weight models instead, that seems like an unexpected win.

The cards are also coming... Some of the very first are already out - but it will take a couple of years before they hit their stride in full. And cards will likely be primarily for Chinese companies initially, and then go for exports later. So it will go under the radar for many western techies for a while. Seeing what China has managed with PCB production, low to mid-end semiconductors, phone manufacturing and elec…

Nvidia will fail in that respect. Sanctions and restrictions are too popular with the American government. Where the United States will lose, is that almost every country in the world that can will use other solutions not from the United States.

And unfortunately, we are losing credibility on all fronts in the last year and a half. I wonder why?

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by Danox »

thewebguyd wrote: post #188
jackb4040 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does however totally abandon the question of making a profitable mass-market AI product upon which the scale of those investments was based.

Not entirely, if models become commodity, then Microsoft's play as an infrastructure & enterprise apps company is the better bet. They don't need to make profitable mass-market AI models, they just need the best tooling on top of any model their customers pick, remaining fully model agnostic. "AI Product" doesn't necessarily mean "We sell API access to a our models." Ton of companies out there itching to buy a commer…

There is only one problem Microsoft has spent/burnt billions of dollars on Copilot an about-face at this point is basically the end of Nadella.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by Danox »

gilfoyle_7 wrote: post #57

MSFT, dell, NVIDIA. These guys will make money no matter who uses what AI since they're the hardware providers. Even though they all own stake in frontier labs, chinese open weight models will commoditize the intelligence layer.

Too bad Microsoft couldn’t see that before they spent the money…
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