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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi.

Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security.

(I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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NVIDIA sells the tools. The more the better it is for them. Microsoft and Meta are also-rans at this point. Their best hope of catching up is probably leveraging their infra and open models.

"leveraging their infra" is a pretty solid play, considering the scope of investments these two companies have made thus far.

It does however totally abandon the question of making a profitable mass-market AI product upon which the scale of those investments was based.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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They are worried about OpenAI and Anthropic making their own processors and controlling the whole stack is my guess.

They really don't need to be very worried about that. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, et al have decades of experience in shipping custom hardware at scale, and it is not a simple field to pivot into

True, but Google has their own models and did not sign this either.

The other thing that comes to mind is they want to avoid the government from banning open models as has been suggested by some of the closed models providers.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Makes sense Microsoft is placing it self as a model host and os providing open weight models for much cheaper on their infra already. No wonder openai and anthropic are terrified

Makes sense for Microsoft. Copilot is already capable of being model agnostic (both GH Copilot, obviously, and M365 as well). They're an enterprise software & services company, they want to sell integrated AI tooling in their stack, powered by whatever models their customers want rather than any specific model. Models are quickly becoming a dumb pipe, like an ISP. Just a commodity. The labs should rightfully be terri…

I don't know about that, a lot of those bloated enterprise solutions are becoming obsolete fast, and integrations becoming a moot point as these models advance.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.

They've seen the government officials parroting OpenAI and Anthropic lobbies talking points, and they have smart enough people to see the signs of upcoming regulatory capture.

If I were cynical, I'd say it isn't helped by the current US administration.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.

Probably the fact that they don't want Anthropic or Google or OpenAI to have access to their data theoretically, and that they do want to use good AI, and that they don't want to spend the money themselves to make a good model...

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And the verdict is still out on if it's going to be cheaper than employees in the long run. Maybe for companies in HCoL areas (SV/NYC), but any smaller mid-market org in a LCoL area, frontier model token spend may not end up all that cheaper when your employee salaries are $55k-$75k/year so you're mostly evaluating it as an additional force multiplier expense rather than a headcount replacer.

Those salaries seem low for mid sized cities even no?

I think they're generalizing beyond software engineers with what they're saying. G&A, Marketing, etc roles pay significantly less than software engineers and that $55-75k figure is realistic in lower cost of living areas. Even in Colorado, which the Denver Metro Area is HCOL, there are companies (smaller, regional, not national/global) still offering that level of salary.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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> The unbearable cheapness of open weight models So the closed model try to get client with their model by saying it's cheaper than employees, and then turn around to lawyer-out cheaper alternative? Truly the american dream.

The important thing is that Sam Altman and Dario Amodei become trillionaires. Everything must be decided in service of that one primary goal.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the verdict is still out on if it's going to be cheaper than employees in the long run. Maybe for companies in HCoL areas (SV/NYC), but any smaller mid-market org in a LCoL area, frontier model token spend may not end up all that cheaper when your employee salaries are $55k-$75k/year so you're mostly evaluating it as an additional force multiplier expense rather than a headcount replacer.

Those salaries seem low for mid sized cities even no?

Nope, not low at all. In the Midwest that’s exceedingly normal, even for non-entry level. $70k a year is living good in the Midwest, especially if dual income household ($140k a year is plenty when a decent house goes for $300k).
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