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Post by AnimalMuppet »

baaron wrote: post #4

Main points: - "seats measure up to 18-inches wide in economy, the same standard configuration found on Airbus widebody aircraft" - "To minimise cabin pressure effects on the body, the cabin maintains a 6,000-feet average altitude pressure, roughly equivalent to that of a mountain ski town. This is the same cabin pressure as the modern A350 widebody, and it helps to reduce physical fatigue, headaches and jet lag." -…

Oh, yeah, Airbus is in Europe. In the US, many "mountain ski towns" are considerably above 6,000 feet.

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Post by darknavi »

tuna74 wrote: post #98
rconti wrote: post #21

My dislike for single aisle aircraft isn't about cabin pressure or the "impression of a wider open space". It's about the fact that it is ACTUALLY cramped, and the _one_ aisle will be blocked for most of the flight. In a typical single aisle airplane, sitting in coach, you're expected to use the restroom "in your cabin" which is at the rear. If you're sitting anywhere _except_ the rear, your access to the restroom wi…

"I'm someone who would happily pay up for a lie-flat more frequently if it was priced at 2-3x a regular ticket rather than 5x+. " If you look at pictures it seems like the lie-flat seats take up roughly 6x the space of what the economy seats take up.

New Zealand allows you to book three seats in a row and covert it to a bed which seems like a nice alternative.

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Post by shostack »

cpgxiii wrote: post #26

Not covered: the inevitable even-smaller lavatory to further insult the dignity of the flying public. At this point, the designers of narrow-body interiors should be actively shamed for how hostile they have made lavatory designs. In a world in which every major flying population is aging and more overweight, yet every generation of airplane lavatories is even narrower and less accessible for everyone.

Introduce a larger one that you have to sign up for digitally to wait in line and be notified when it is available and charge for the privilege. Hell, make it auction based so if you want to jump the line you can if you pay for it.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by 4fterd4rk »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #87
alistairSH wrote: post #31

We flew from IAD to DUB on Aer Lingus a month ago. Outbound was an A321neo LR/XLR and it was not bad at all. Legroom was fine (for me at 5'7"), big overhead bins should be required these days, and the entertainment setup was passable. The only complaint was flaky seat-back trays that required a real SLAM to latch. The damn things were constantly dropping down, getting slammed back not quite hard enough, and falling a…

All these 2-4-2 are 20 year old aircrafts - seats are not slim. so less legroom. Airlines don't retrofit.

Sure they do. Cabin refits are pretty standard. A lot of the 777s flying for AA, Delta, and United were delivered with very different interior configs.

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Post by nairboon »

tb99 wrote: post #112
yongjik wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as ... You got it backwards. If economy passengers preferred better services to cheaper fare, they would have chosen airlines with better services, and airlines would have to adapt accordingly, offering better and more expensive services. They can't…

> If economy passengers preferred better services to cheaper fare, they would have chosen airlines with better services It's not quite that simple. Unless you fly a lot, it's hard to know about service differences between two airlines -- which has better air quality, more efficient disembarking, fewer recitals of the credit card pitch, etc. Passengers have to make their choices based on the subset of their preference…

There is also the airline brand as an information. Some are explicitly branded as low-cost/low-comfort other not.

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Post by gib444 »

alistairSH wrote: post #35
pudgywalsh wrote: post #27

Because everyone sleeps soundly with bright blue LED lighting blaring in their faces. I fail to see what's innovative about "we shoved business class seats into a narrow-body aircraft". An A321 is still an A321. Flying internationally in a single-aisle aircraft is under any circumstances torture no matter how you sugar coat it: "Come fly in our modern, innovative sardine can." By the way BA did this years ago with th…

That flight was an odd bird from the outset. It didn't have the range to make NY in a single go, so it stopped in Shannon Ireland to refuel, where passengers deplaned, went through US Preclearance, and rebounded. IIRC, the US->UK return was non-stop. So one leg was longer than normal. Ultimately, it was dying on it's own when COVID drove the final nail into the coffin.

It was bad for IRROPs too. You'd have to schlep over to Heathrow in case of any issues. And you have to explain to your boss why you picked the weird oddball flight over the reliable Heathrow with tons of flights to New York

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Post by camgunz »

billforsternz wrote: post #83
camgunz wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you also recline?

(Not the person you're asking, but...) I don't want to adversely affect the person behind me, but I also accept the right of the person in front of me to recline if they want to. It's not easy being me.

I honestly thought like, the protocol was seat up for take off/food/landing, reclining otherwise.

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Post by conradludgate »

ceejayoz wrote: post #38
FergusArgyll wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this attitude. The seats are meant to recline, as soon as takeoff is finished I recline. If you want more space, you should too.

Yeah, I'm six foot, always in the most basic economy, and never once has the person in front reclining impacted me. It feels like the same phenomenon when people bitched and moaned about having to take even the slightest COVID precautions.

I am 6'7". I regularly have to ask the person in front not to recline on some layouts. I get aisle/exit row seats if possible, but sometimes it's just not possible. For euro city flights there is no premium economy and the business class seats don't have more legroom either, so there's often very few options for me.

For short flights I will just tuck my legs awkwardly when necessary and have to get up to stretch regularly.

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Post by ajb »

kelnos wrote: post #113
cwmma wrote: post #32

Is there a term for a product which is really only really for a minority of it's users? Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as "fine I guess we'll throw the rest of you in the back" Mobile games seem the apotheosis of this as a lot of games are really about finding whales and any enjoym…

I don't think it's that. It's just what the mass market wants. For economy-class passengers, the overwhelmingly first-place concern is the price of the ticket. People accept shit service, shit food, random seat assignments, inconvenient timing and connections, etc. all for a cheaper ticket. For some people, the ticket cost is the only thing they care about. So it's a race to the bottom. Airlines are famously low-marg…

The one I really don't accept is the Ryanair Russian Roulette pricing model, where they advertise cheap prices, but have many hidden tripwires that add a multiple of the sticker cost.
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