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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by chmod775 »

infecto wrote: post #360
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

I get tired of it because it just becomes a tit for tat war and you end up with these extremely polarized communities. Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on, but it would be nice if open source communities were a bit more open. There will always be a line to draw but some of the current rules feel arbitrary.

> Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on

To be fair, that seems like a bit of an odd detail to obsess over.

A service could be bright pink for all I care* as long as it just works without me having to worry about checking their blog for the latest decrees being handed down on a daily basis.

* Take that with a grain of salt because my - in some people's eyes - questionable stylistic choices are the direct cause of a couple hundred userstyles and scripts out there.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by infecto »

chmod775 wrote: post #531
infecto wrote: post #360

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I get tired of it because it just becomes a tit for tat war and you end up with these extremely polarized communities. Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on, but it would be nice if open source communities were a bit more open. There will always be a line to draw but some of the current rules feel arbitrary.

> Codeberg is not for me, I could never get over them keeping the anubis anime girls on To be fair, that seems like a bit of an odd detail to obsess over. A service could be bright pink for all I care* as long as it just works without me having to worry about checking their blog for the latest decrees being handed down on a daily basis. * Take that with a grain of salt because my - in some people's eyes - questionabl…

How is that fair or odd? I don’t want to pop up anime furry girls while I am using a service? Not sure why you think or suggest I am obsessed with it just a choice. Odd comment to make.

It’s a choice to not use it but also a choice the folks that decide to keep it shown.

It is absolutely that communities choice but I see it as a tell for how the folks think about running their community and as these new rules are being made aligns with the assumptions I already made.

Similar to how I migrated from post hog when then created that fabulously confusing OS UI. Or I wouldn’t use a service that used Pepe memes.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by infecto »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #401
infecto wrote: post #331

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Sure but wouldn’t the sensible rule be implementing a user rate limit?

I think that can be argued for, yes.

I would fear it’s too little too late. If the concern was the frequency and utilization of resources from agents coding that would have been the instant and fair fix. As it stand it’s a statement about AI usage which is fine but I think the better alternative would be to start a new nonprofit service that was unbiased.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by danpalmer »

inigyou wrote: post #481
danpalmer wrote: post #131

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No this is my point, Mastodon doesn't solve this problem in the general case. The shift to Mastodon did not solve the problem of social network admins with too much power, because of the lock-in to instances. Most instances are fine, but there have been many that have caused their users a lot of difficulty, and users fundamentally don't own their data. The way most users use Bluesky is no different, but the protocol…

I'm banned from Bluesky, how do I fix it?

Host your own PDS, use an alternative relay and App Server, like Blacksky.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by danpalmer »

fuglede_ wrote: post #256
danpalmer wrote: post #120

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I'm not going to do the protocol justice in an HN comment, but a core goal is to separate the entities that control the data, the entities that run the network, and the entities that control the interfaces (and recommendation algos etc). If your Mastodon admin goes rogue, you a) have to get your data out of their hands, and b) have to rebuild your Mastodon presence in a new location, all your connections, history, et…

But if you are going to self-host, then you can also self-host a Mastodon server and never have to migrate anywhere; wouldn't that achieve the same effect?

No it wouldn't, because each Mastodon server can choose who to federate with and many servers don't federate openly or don't federate with smaller hosts for technical, scaling, or even political reasons.

I've done it, self hosted Mastodon limited my ability to participate in the social network in a way that it does not on ATProto.

Also you can't port between instances. Whereas this is fundamental to the ATProto ecosystem.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by skinfaxi »

inigyou wrote: post #420
skinfaxi wrote: post #332

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What is hand made code? Does that mean no auto complete? No linters?

If a carpenter uses a table saw, is he still a carpenter? What if he just throws wood randomly at the table saw and tries to sell whatever pieces come out? (Never do this with a table saw, btw. They can, and will if you don't use proper procedures, throw wood sideways at speeds that can punch through walls and impale people)

This analogy doesn't make much sense to me. Is the table saw analogous to LLMs because they both work with the appropriate substrate (wood/text)? I don't see how an LLM is like a table saw at all.

Is a musician less of a musician if they use a pre-recorded back-beat and sing on top? Are you not a musician if you use the chord mode on a keyboard?

Is code not hand-written if my editor automatically closes all of my html? What if my editor flags all of the errors and I manually correct them? And what if it auto-corrects at the press of a button?

There is a line and I'm asking about it earnestly, but the table saw analogy doesn't reach it IMO.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by rpdillon »

skydhash wrote: post #523
rpdillon wrote: post #371

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That's just vibes. Measuring how much data someone uses is concrete and empirical. They are implementing TOS rules that are based on judgement and require a judge. Very different when implemented practically, especially in terms of effort on the part of the org. Quotas are automated, evicting projects is highly manual.

> That's just vibes. They are not. You can probably draft some query to get candidates based on those criteria. And so very quickly. > Quotas are automated, evicting projects is highly manual. The human world is very chaotic. Automation is not a panacea, which is highlighted by Big Tech abysmal support. Sometimes, you want humans to judge, because the optimal result is based on heuristics and not rules written in sto…

Non-profits like Codeberg are resource-constrained. Apple is delaying app reviews and degrading the reviews that are done because of a slew of AI-generated app. Codeberg is basically adding a "human must review things" step to solve the "we have too much traffic" problem. As a bonus, they are instituting a process that's not only costly, but is vulnerable to being co-opted to ban projects that are not desired for any reason. It's just a naive policy mistake. Time will tell. Let's revisit in 2 years.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by rpdillon »

inigyou wrote: post #418
rpdillon wrote: post #350

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It's wild to me that nobody is considering enforcement. Part of the reason this is a bad rule is because there's no way to actually validate what is an LLM coded project. And the AI train is not nearly at its destination. Things are going to change dramatically over the next four years. My prediction? This is not going to age well.

It'll be the same as literally every other ToS ever: if they detect a problem and trace it to you, and you're blatantly violating the terms, they kick you off. If they detect a problem and trace it to you, and you're subtly violating the terms, they lock out whatever is causing the problem and get in contact with you.

You're trying to sidestep how enforceable something is, and instead implicitly admit that enforcement will be inconsistent. That's my issue. Not all ToS are this way, and they're better for it.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by missinglugnut »

natbennett wrote: post #402
throwayay4929 wrote: post #276

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Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

Firefox is an interesting choice as a company that wasn’t affected by identity politics given how Brendan Eich left the company

Early Firefox was the example. Looking at Firefox's market share decline since Eich got replaced reinforces the point though.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by simoncion »

Yokohiii wrote: post #341
simoncion wrote: post #119

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> ... Recently I tried to create a repo there and nothing pointed out any of the noted restrictions or preferences. > I think that is a clear communication problem. ... The following is very clearly posted on their account creation page: [0] By registering for a Codeberg account, you consent to our Privacy Policy [1] and agree to our Terms of Use. [2] You'll note that [2] is the same document linked to by the comment…

Ironically they currently show a huge banner that LLM-generated content is restricted and crypto is no longer allowed. No one is reading the ToS you know that very well. That you point out basic advice about ToS is satirical. If a service like this has some surprising limitations for a potential user, it should be clear up front and not hidden in the ToS. Considering my first paragraph, they know that too.

Someone who has no interest in reading ~two pages of a document written at a middle school reading level in order to find out what their hosts do and don't want to host also has no interest in reading popups, "toasts", and other such notifications on the topic. People who don't want to read aren't going to read.

What I'd suggest to you is that you go out and get head scritches and/or snuggles from a cutie. Not only will this provide you with a fun and positive social interaction, it'll give you the energy required to complain about things that you actually care about, and maybe even make some progress towards fixing them.

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