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This is some bizarre victim inversion. The providers of closed models are the ones who are trying to use regulation to stop their open model competition, not the other way around.
Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#82I thought it would've made a lot of sense for Apple to be on this list as well.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#83I thought it would've made a lot of sense for Apple to be on this list as well.
Because their long-term goal is to make AI a walled garden subscription.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
well let's be clear, there's nothing open about an open-weight model. To me, "open these models up. " must mean provide all the data and supporting documentation required to reproduce the model. That would be "open". Postgres is open because you can download all the data and supporting documentation and reproduce the binary yourself. However, being able to only download a postgres binary would make it no longer open.…
Here here! Open weights is the term because it's close to open source but everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot and saying the model is downloadable but you can't recreate it is too difficult for our feeble minds to understand. There are actually open source models out there though, with datasets and training code.
I think it has more to do with the fact that there has to be some term to describe the concept of "model which has weights that are openly accessible"
Like, that's just a logical thing to call it. I don't believe anyone is making a judgement on the intelligence of the reader to call it "open weight" when it refers to weights that are openly available.
"Open source" would be a more appropriate term to describe a model which also includes the training source.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#85I thought it would've made a lot of sense for Apple to be on this list as well.
Apple would be rather unaffected since they already signed a deal with Google/Gemini.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#86I wonder why Apple stayed absent from signing this?
Apple is allergic to industry-spanning consortiums.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#87Just saw on Microsoft https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/top...
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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…
well let's be clear, there's nothing open about an open-weight model. To me, "open these models up. " must mean provide all the data and supporting documentation required to reproduce the model. That would be "open". Postgres is open because you can download all the data and supporting documentation and reproduce the binary yourself. However, being able to only download a postgres binary would make it no longer open.…
The problem with that analogy is that compiling Postgres takes a few minutes. Training a model takes hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least) and specialized hardware.
Having a standardized training set is valuable, though.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#89I don't feel it's meaningful to berate the point anymore about the hypocrisy of the American labs. Now as the sentiment and effort from them to push for regulation increases so does my perception of how pathetic they are behaving. I'm not sure how else to say it other than that it's honestly just embarrassing to watch China and others run circles around us in the USA.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#90I wonder why Apple stayed absent from signing this?
I wonder if it has anything to do with Apple’s legal case against OAI.