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Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by CGP_Labs »

DrScientist wrote: post #377
CGP_Labs wrote: post #374

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Haha, fair point. Maybe I am channeling a bit of Kirk vs. Spock. But I think the interesting question is whether AI can ever make the kind of irrational-but-successful bets that great leaders sometimes make.

While the Shatner portrayal of Kirk is hard not to like, I was always slightly irritated by the recurring transparent theme of gut winning over reason ( but then I became a scientist ). Though not sure 'irrational' is the right term - perhaps the willingness to take a decision without all the data, because doing something is more important than being completely right. Or the willingness to do something new based on p…

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Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by infamouscow »

danny_codes wrote: post #367
infamouscow wrote: post #334

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This would mean that all media companies in the US would be prevented from publishing anything that could be perceived as negative about any candidate running for elected office, regardless of factual basis and regardless of if it were satire. A candidate would simply go to any circuit court judge and get an injunction against the media company. If the media company did not comply, the judge would find the officers i…

Except that's not how it was in 2004 before Citizens United. So.. yes, in your made up hypothetical it doesn't look good. But in reality, where we all live, it worked better than the current rules

Yes, had SCOTUS ruled differently in Citizens United, the scope of the ruling would have likely been narrowly focused.

Every time SCOTUS makes a ruling, there are thousands of extremely talented activist lawyers that immediate begin working on legal strategies to further expand a ruling in ways they believe are favorable to their political ends. You have to understand, there are lawyers who focus on specific justices and study the idiosyncrasies of their rulings/philosophy so they can reverse-engineer legal outcomes as they desire.

In United States v. Jones, Ginsburg and Thomas ruled that attaching a GPS tracker to a car and monitoring it was a Fourth Amendment search. Thomas believes physically attaching the device is a property trespass and constitutes a search. Ginsburg believed prolonged GPS surveillance violates a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Even though Ginsburg and Thomas are polar opposites, if you understand how they rule, you can still get the outcome you want with the right case.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by eru »

raincom wrote: post #362
xboxnolifes wrote: post #333

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Thats the excuse given, but it makes no sense. All you do is state "CEOs are culpable for the actions of the campany". Bam, problem solved.

That requires a change in criminal law, with an exception of RICO. However, the DOJ will not use RICO against the elite class, as ex-prosecutors end up working for the same elite through law firms.

That's a bit silly. Tough prosecutors and regulators get top jobs all the time. Being tough is actually a good way to raise your profile.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by raincom »

eru wrote: post #383
raincom wrote: post #362

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That requires a change in criminal law, with an exception of RICO. However, the DOJ will not use RICO against the elite class, as ex-prosecutors end up working for the same elite through law firms.

That's a bit silly. Tough prosecutors and regulators get top jobs all the time. Being tough is actually a good way to raise your profile.

RICO statues are slapped against a specific set of people: Mafia. Without RICO, you can't just percolate up the culpability to the CEO without a solid proof. The issue here: laws, courts, how courts look at evidence. With RICO, the bar is lower.

In any large organization, there is a legal department, there is a chief legal office/General counsel. These guys train CEO enough how to pass down messages. When I was a salesman, my training team and my managers never told us to lie. However, the pressure tactics they use force sales people to lie. That's how things work.

Even if some assistant attorney/prosecutor wants to use RICO, he/she will be overruled in the same department.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by eru »

raincom wrote: post #384
eru wrote: post #383

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That's a bit silly. Tough prosecutors and regulators get top jobs all the time. Being tough is actually a good way to raise your profile.

RICO statues are slapped against a specific set of people: Mafia. Without RICO, you can't just percolate up the culpability to the CEO without a solid proof. The issue here: laws, courts, how courts look at evidence. With RICO, the bar is lower. In any large organization, there is a legal department, there is a chief legal office/General counsel. These guys train CEO enough how to pass down messages. When I was a sal…

You are right about RICO.

Sorry, I was generalising a bit without making that explicit:

> However, the [authorities] will not [use some laws] against the elite class, as ex-prosecutors end up working for the same elite through law firms.

I meant that in practice the revolving door seems to reward tough stances more than it seems to punish them.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jaredklewis wrote: post #368
xboxnolifes wrote: post #330

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Nobody wants to be the first one who cant pool large sums of money to influence politics, but, yes, im okay with not being allowed to spend millions of dollars to influence our politics. Our society has too much wealth inequality for that to be a good idea.

Can I spend money to influence voters? Say that I hold the political that the US should provide more humanitarian aid to Gaza. If I raise a bunch of money for this cause, can I use that money to make movies about the poor conditions in Gaza? Can I buy a full page in the New York Times with information about the crisis in Gaza? Can I use the money to run ads advocating my position on Gaza? Can I use the money to buy a…

>For me, I don't see how you can reasonably enforce some rule against using "money to influence politics" without also having some central entity that gets to police everyone's political speech, and that scares me.

We already have those. It's exactly why AIPAC keeps slipping through all legal boundaries.

Regardless, the idea here on how Hawaii (and potentially other states) going around this is very simple: they can spend on elections, but that doesn't mean the state needs to give them all their incentives.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by johnnyanmac »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #344
DangitBobby wrote: post #338

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Seems people have been very clear on this and you keep dragging it back to points already made.

I’m asking for clarification because if the answer is no I’m afraid we are in psychologically different worlds and people feel out of control of very basic parts of their lives.

>people feel out of control of very basic parts of their lives.

Yes, yes they do. Especially these days where the systems are completely failing an entire generation before they can even get a foot in the door.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by johnnyanmac »

pj_mukh wrote: post #258
e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #209

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I'd argue that the "rampant cynicism and nihilism" and more a result of the environment than algorithms manipulating people, the content is also made by other people, and it just serves up what people want. Your feed is often just a reflection of what you're feeling since everyone has their own feed instead of the reddit or HN approach with a shared feed. Also the phrase is that a few bad apples spoil the batch, nobo…

"Your feed is often just a reflection of what you're feeling" No it is not. The feed is optimized for what will increase the intensity of feelings, and bad feelings are more easily optimized than good. Meta (patient zero for this nonsense) has pretty much said so, multiple times. " more a result of the environment than algorithms" What environment? People are sitting on their algorithms for 100x more time than any ph…

>What environment

The one seeing themselves or co-workers laid off while companies report record earnings.

The ones seeing a CEO tank a company then move on to the next company next week with a huge pay package.

The one seeing their little sibling or kid graduate with honors and multiple internships, and having the complete inability to get a job in their field.

Do I need to explain more? Media reflects reality at the end of the day. You acn talk about doomscrolling, but part of it only works because exaggeration always starts by exploiting some truth you've seen first hand.

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ravenstine wrote: post #211
999900000999 wrote: post #194

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CEOs are also Fall Guys. A fall guy is the person who takes the blame when the whole thing falls apart. I’ve worked with exceptional CEOs at start ups. A startup CEO has to be a good sales person. They need to be able to make that final pitch to sell the company. Then everyone ideally cashes out and we’re all rich without the need to ever work again. It’s probably not going to happen, but I often dream of getting ric…

> CEOs are also Fall Guys. A fall guy is the person who takes the blame when the whole thing falls apart. Do you have an example of this? The usual criticism of CEOs is based on the exact opposite; that we are the fall guys, and that CEOs usually profit (and are rarely punished for) their own failed decisions. Looking back at all the companies I've worked for, I can't think of one time a CEO actually suffered blowbac…

It's not as insidious as the name implies, but it does happen. Sometimes a CEO is brought in for 2-3 years to clean house, take bad PR, then move oh for the next CEO to come in with a clean slate. This happens often; IIRC this is happening with the starbucks CEO who is more or less there with the goal to union bust and layoff.

I say it's insidious because they still get paid millions and have an excellent exit package. And it's not like it tarnishes their resume either (said CEO has done the above consistently).

Re: OverpAId – Fire your CEO. Hire the future

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Post by johnnyanmac »

conductr wrote: post #246
tonic_note wrote: post #204

Good satire. I find the "RTO is because of RE valuations" to be the most bizarre thing about the post pandemic work discourse. Office leases are a rounding error to large employers. They are not coercing employees back to the office because their worried about the value of a single portfolio asset falling (assuming they even own it). They are doing it because it's about power. Middle managers do not trust their staff…

I’ve been on Csuite of 3 orgs since the pandemic forced wfh normalization. Your correct the RE thing has always been a false narrative. I’ve never seen or read of it coming from an executive. To my knowledge, it was dreamt up by pundits, speculators, and is just a lazy attempt to understand what goes on in boardrooms driving these decisions. What I have witnessed, with empirical evidence, is that productivity and/or…

Why are decisions more difficult? At the C suite level you have decisions going downstream to a bunch of offices that are never visited directly anyway.

The only thing I agree with is that onboarding is more difficult, but we haven't exactlty been in a hiring moood as of late.

> If you’re a very disciplined individual contributor focusing on low collaboration units of work, then it’s likely you did see a productivity boost. It’s unlikely you could maintain it over long periods of time. But even if you did, you’re probably an outlier.

A lot of development work is heads down. That's why I agree hybrid is the best approach, but I argue it doesn't even need to be once a week for many. Maybe go in bouts of a few weeks or even months, then have 1-2 weeks of in-person planning.

But this doesn't fit the 9-5 they want to push.

>The fact ICs think productivity is the most important thing they can provide is a signal they’re wrong (in the eyes of a leadership team).

>The management team doesn't want it to be up for discussion, and doesn’t want to create wfh subclasses of employees, which is what data would lead to.

All I hear is that managers ultimately care more about preserving their jobs (or the concept of their jobs) than about actually providing value to the company. And Managers are the ones that get to talk to executives, not CEOS.

Hearing that IC's are "wrong" for following their job description to "individually contribute" sure does sum up today's job market.

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