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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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Post by p-e-w »

GlickWick wrote: post #75
Tostino wrote: post #67

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Ask yourself, who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? There is some blame on all sides for sure, not saying it's black and white...but come on.

I think the major destabilizing force is the country that has been building the infrastructure for a hot war over Taiwan for the last decade while simultaneously blatantly funding the conquest of Ukraine. The US stupidly withdrawing from the world stage is definitely making this worse, of course, but it is not the catalyst. It's unfortunately a very likely side effect of a social media campaign by the same actor to m…

In the decade during which you claim China has been preparing for a hot war, the United States invaded multiple countries and waged hot wars on three continents.

It’s ridiculous to compare China to the US when it comes to warmongering. They’re not even in the same ballpark.

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Post by Lyngbakr »

ch4s3 wrote: post #47
yoyohello13 wrote: post #21

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Are we not there yet?

US real median household income has been steadily rising[1] for the last 40+ years. Life expectancy is rising again after dipping and plateauing for a few years. Employment numbers are pretty good given the macro headwinds. The US forms ~5.9 million new businesses per year which vastly out paces the EU. The US isn't without problems, but we're doing OK. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N It's incred…

But I think there will be a lag. The US has (willingly) forfeited some of its soft power and we may not see the impact of that immediately.

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Post by stanleykm »

GlickWick wrote: post #98
guax wrote: post #84

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Might wanna reflect on who’s threatening hot war lately.

The main actors threatening (and delivering) a hot war are China, and by proxy, Russia. The Ukraine war is absolutely and transparently enabled by China, who is also trying to actively destabilize the EU and the US in order to make its conquest of Taiwan more likely. Yes, the US has an idiot in charge who is threatening these things in response, too. However, unlike China, the electorate does not support him. His ele…

Sorry who is China threatening a hot war with? As far as I can tell the US is doing most of the warring these days…

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Post by Balinares »

GlickWick wrote: post #50
ninjahawk1 wrote: post #34

The U.S. does NOT have copyright protections on the data that AI models were and are trained on, it was mass theft. Now all of a sudden, the Chinese are stealing from the thieves and we’re supposed to care? No one cares, we just want cheaper AI models that are equally as powerful. They’re all thieves regardless.

I do care. It's an unfortunate truth that we're exiting a global peace era and entering one of (hopefully just...) implied conflict. Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing. Trump is a huge self-own by our electorate sadly, but being concerned about a conflict between China and the US is a very bi-partisan concern for good reason.

I don't think I would characterize this last era as one of global peace.

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Post by drbscl »

npodbielski wrote: post #60

So Y Combinator signed it too? But this is HN, Y combinator website. I think I am missing something because I never read any opinion like 'we should ban Chinese models'.

OpenAI's strategy lead made a post on X advocating for the banning of Chinese models in the wake of Kimi K3's release.

To be clear, YCombinator et al are advocating for them to remain unbanned.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

barbazoo wrote: post #108
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85

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> who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? All of them. Pretending there is a benevolent bully among Russia, China and America is baseless. This is probably the strongest moral argument for open-weight models. It decouples AI, somewhat, from military-industrial might.

This is proof the US propaganda is working. How much damage has China done recently militarily?

> This is proof the US propaganda is working

This is a thought-terminating cliche. (The folks telling you to stop being sheeple are unusually consistently claimed independent thinkers.)

> How much damage has China done recently militarily?

Exempting the Iran war, which has no justification, as much as America. We’re both backing proxies. (Though we’ve had a while since we shot at or annexed our neighbours.)

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Post by therealdrag0 »

minimaltom wrote: post #53
andai wrote: post #27

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The ducks at the park are free, you can just take one home with you.

I luv this sentence but have no idea what it means lol. Do you have many ducks at home?

I think it means, just because something is accessible doesn’t mean it’s legal, permitted, or okay.

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Post by [deleted] »

GlickWick wrote: post #98
guax wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might wanna reflect on who’s threatening hot war lately.

The main actors threatening (and delivering) a hot war are China, and by proxy, Russia. The Ukraine war is absolutely and transparently enabled by China, who is also trying to actively destabilize the EU and the US in order to make its conquest of Taiwan more likely. Yes, the US has an idiot in charge who is threatening these things in response, too. However, unlike China, the electorate does not support him. His ele…

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Post by stanleykm »

GlickWick wrote: post #105
mathisfun123 wrote: post #90

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> Our biggest geopolitical rival People on here have zero consistency in their worldviews. Ask any capitalism zealot (ie hners) whether markets are zero sum and they'll wax poetical about "creating value". But then talk to them about Chinese competition and suddenly everything is a rivalrous good lolol. I hate to break it to you, your so called rival won this game decades ago when you undercut the working class to ma…

I'm not the "hive mind" of HN or whatever. Individuals hold unique opinions. Yes, China is a rival. No, they have not won. Their economy is in a lot of trouble, likely far worse than the shape of the US's currently. That situation may accelerate a hot war though, as has historically been the case globally.

You need to stop watching those “China is gonna collapse any minute now…” youtube videos
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