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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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no he can't, he doesnt make laws

executive orders?

Yes, he can do executive orders. The courts still get to judge whether they are legal, though... some months/years later.

For the more egregious ones, there are temporary restraining orders... days/weeks/months later.

So, yes, he can do that, and yes, he can be overruled on them, and yes, that happens after some damage has already been done.

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The same authority he used to enact tariffs and a war.

So, illegally, got it

At a certain level legality is enforcement. If the enforcers of the rules decline to enforce them, you're better off acknowledging what is and dealing with it.

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Are we not there yet?

There's a popular Chinese internet saying: "If you/I are/am not embarrassed, then it's the other person who is embarrassed." (只要我不尴尬,尴尬的就是别人)

Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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he could order possession of it treason and punishable similarly to other illegal numbers.

no he can't, he doesnt make laws

Legality doesn't seem to have much effect, in his case.

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The U.S. does NOT have copyright protections on the data that AI models were and are trained on, it was mass theft. Now all of a sudden, the Chinese are stealing from the thieves and we’re supposed to care? No one cares, we just want cheaper AI models that are equally as powerful. They’re all thieves regardless.

I do care. It's an unfortunate truth that we're exiting a global peace era and entering one of (hopefully just...) implied conflict. Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing. Trump is a huge self-own by our electorate sadly, but being concerned about a conflict between China and the US is a very bi-partisan concern for good reason.

Ask yourself, who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively?

There is some blame on all sides for sure, not saying it's black and white...but come on.

Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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The U.S. does NOT have copyright protections on the data that AI models were and are trained on, it was mass theft. Now all of a sudden, the Chinese are stealing from the thieves and we’re supposed to care? No one cares, we just want cheaper AI models that are equally as powerful. They’re all thieves regardless.

I do care. It's an unfortunate truth that we're exiting a global peace era and entering one of (hopefully just...) implied conflict. Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing. Trump is a huge self-own by our electorate sadly, but being concerned about a conflict between China and the US is a very bi-partisan concern for good reason.

I’m not convinced that it’s a bad thing. What is your actual argument?

Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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> the US can “sanction” companies that engage in intellectual property theft. Peak hypocrisy, US AI companies can train on unlimited intellectual property with 0 rights to it, while Chinese AI companies have to explicitly get the rights to data that isn’t even copyrightable/copyrighted (since AI alone can’t copyright it).

It's not IP theft if US courts say it isn't. And if the accused company is outside of the US, well, US courts have no jurisdiction so apparently the US government can just claim they are guilty and impose the sanctions...

And it’s not a war if Putin says so. And it’s not a possible future invasion of Taiwan if Xi says so. Who cares what US courts say.
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