“We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3” • Hacker News Board

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by VulgarExigency » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 9:20 AM UTC

breppp wrote: post #533

dylan604 wrote: post #510

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so what? this has nothing to do with them taking from those that took before them. china censoring information they do not like is nothing new and seems irrelevant to this conversation

Fair enough you don't care, some people might want to know about the Uyghur happy camps, mass organ harvesting and such. In a world where information sources are only going to dwindle, it is not in anyone's interest to empower actors that will use these to manipulate perceptions

The same people who say there is a Uyghur genocide are the ones who deny there is a Palestinian genocide. Guess which one there's video evidence of (a horrific, endless amount of evidence).

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by cowboy_henk » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 9:21 AM UTC

HDBaseT wrote: post #598

xbmcuser wrote: post #300

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No you should not care unless you are a shareholder in one of these Ai ponzi companies. For the rest of the world Chinese companies matching and open sourcing llm's will keep 100 or so tech oligarchs taking over all the world economic output for themselves as all the idiot politician are unwilling to tax wealth.

Everyone is technically (directly or indirectly) a shareholder of one of these AI or AI affiliated companies.

We're also shareholders in all other publicly traded stocks (assuming you're referring to pension schemes etc), which means competition in the AI model market is better than a few winners making everyone paying through their nose for access. Even better, open weights models which cannot be disabled on a whim means the entire world economy can benefit.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by hashstring » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 9:22 AM UTC

We also have evidence that Anthropic distilled all human info they could get their hands on for the development of all their models.

Distillation should be fair game given the (current) game of LLM training. Yes, as a model creator you probably want to protect against it, but it does make you a hypocrite.

> The developer OpenAI has said it would be impossible to create tools like its groundbreaking chatbot ChatGPT without access to copyrighted material, as pressure grows on artificial intelligence firms over the content used to train their products.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by pas » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 9:30 AM UTC

qwertox wrote: post #67

throwa356262 wrote: post #12

Kimi K3 was released July 16, Fable ban was lifted on July 1 but access was still limited. How did Moonshot "distil" a huge model in such short time and still had time to run the benchmarks and do the usual release thingies? I think Anthropic is desperate to stop foreign competition and the administration is happy to help because they too are heavily invested in these companies

It looks like these frontier-model companies don't really monitor their systems. Like OpenAI not realizing that it is their own AI which is attacking HuggingFace.

how would they detect?

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by spwa4 » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 9:41 AM UTC

wasfgwp wrote: post #644

bluegatty wrote: post #375

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No - distillation is not data inputs. Raw materials vs. Value add. They are different things, like ore and metal. Distillation is a new thing we need to understand, it's probably closer to IP than not.

LLM outputs are not copyrightable or rather the user who generated them owns it. That entirely settles it and there isn’t much else to say about. If Anthropic feels that other countries are violating their EULA well they are free to stop doing business with them.

The claim these companies make goes much, much further than that.

They claim LLMs "uncopyright" their inputs. So if I take, say, 50 Mickey Mouse comic books, tell ChatGPT to read them and produce 50 "Buster Beagle" comic books that there is ZERO "copyright contamination" and I own those 50 output comics without Disney having any claims on them whatsoever.

Or if I ask ChatGPT to "make a spreadsheet software like Excel, Sheets, Calc, ..." that, again, there is zero copyright claim possible from these people.

It has not been tested, of course.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by MillionY » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 10:30 AM UTC

As far as I know, this is the easiest way to make that accusation true.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HN56nDXaYAAUS4V?format=jpg&name=...

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by kevincox » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 10:54 AM UTC

hashstring wrote: post #663

We also have evidence that Anthropic distilled all human info they could get their hands on for the development of all their models. Distillation should be fair game given the (current) game of LLM training. Yes, as a model creator you probably want to protect against it, but it does make you a hypocrite. > The developer OpenAI has said it would be impossible to create tools like its groundbreaking chatbot ChatGPT wi…

If anything this distillation is more ethical than the original as it is on machine-generated content rather than copyrighted human-labour products.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by stuaxo » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 11:04 AM UTC

HDBaseT wrote: post #598

xbmcuser wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you should not care unless you are a shareholder in one of these Ai ponzi companies. For the rest of the world Chinese companies matching and open sourcing llm's will keep 100 or so tech oligarchs taking over all the world economic output for themselves as all the idiot politician are unwilling to tax wealth.

Everyone is technically (directly or indirectly) a shareholder of one of these AI or AI affiliated companies.

The majority being indirect and having no input to how these companies run if we can't get some strong regulation going.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by anon373839 » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 11:05 AM UTC

RazorBucksICO wrote: post #609

aunty_helen wrote: post #365

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No, they settled that yesterday, so all is forgotten. Press releases were queued for today so just in the nick of time.

So Moonshot is next for a lawsuit or do lawyers only care about Anthropic?

Between the two of them, only one firm is trying to pull up the ladder so that no one else can have what it took.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by SZJX » Thu, Jul 23, 2026, 11:33 AM UTC

RazorBucksICO wrote: post #611

owebmaster wrote: post #438

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Why so? If I'm from Europe or South America, should I hope Anthropic/Openai win?

Yes. They’re flawed, but you don’t want a global police state administered by the PRC.

No matter your perception of PRC, I don't see how competition around open-weight models has much to do with a "global police state".