I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…
Also it's really important to tell every guest in your home that the TV is recording everything they say or you'll be violating wiretapping laws, as per the EULA.
LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps
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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps
#412I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…
Also it's really important to tell every guest in your home that the TV is recording everything they say or you'll be violating wiretapping laws, as per the EULA.
Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps
#413I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…
My LG TV doesn't support Bluetooth, and it's only maybe eight years old.
Instead of simply connecting to Bluetooth headphones, you're supposed to put some LG app on your smart phone, then sync that via wifi with another app on the TV, then connect your smart phone to the headphones via Bluetooth.
Instead, I just watch less TV and will not purchase LG in the future.
(And let's stop pretending that "LG" stands for "Life's Good" like it says on the power-on splash screen. It means "Lucky Goldstar." If life was good, I'd be able to use Bluetooth headphones.)
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had an LG TV for work because my team developed some of the software on it. Similar experience - it got progressively worse (including the software my team developed, which in true Google fashion was deprioritized, discontinued, team laid off, and left to rot without anyone bothering to tell LG that it was no longer being maintained) until by the time I left that team it was nearly unusable as a "smart" TV and all…
> but for a TV, I just want a dumb screen that I can hook an HDMI cable to and run off a computer. Look into Digital Signage displays. You pay a brickload more money but get (much) higher quality in return.
Not anymore. The last time I checked B&H they weren't very much more expensive than comparable "smart" televisions.
Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps
#415I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…
Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps
#416US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…
> Major US ISPs (Comcast, AT&T) should detect clearly suspicious activity coming from customer IPs and warn them to scan their computers, check their TV apps, and find whatever is turning their internet into a proxy. It's very bad for the customers too (slows things down, gets their IP banned, etc) Does having TLS everywhere make this much harder?
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
They've seen the ruckus that follows from controlling / curating the app store experience. For example, see the comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028
That's for a general purpose computing platform that a smartphone is. This is for a fucking TV.
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#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
Airgapped is harder than you might think. If your TV finds an open network (neigbours?) it will use that one. And it is only a matter of time before they have cellular capabilities too.
When was the last time you saw a completely open residential wifi access point in the wild? This seems a little like worrying about getting Dodo poisoning.
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#41942% of the apps on LG's platform have these quasi-malware SDKs in them? Seems kinda bad, whether it's due to negligence or just pure incompetence? You'd think there might be legal consequences for a corporation that lets their app store turn into a malware delivery system?
It's all above board though, as you, the user, agreed to the terms & conditions for installing said app. This won't change unless governments create and enforce laws.
I have an LG TV, about 6 years old now. For a while it was connected to the internet. Every time I turned it on, after a ~20s delay, it would pop up asking me to install an update and I would press RIGHT + OK to select the "No" button because it worked fine and previous updates just made it slower, added ads etc.
Eventually, the remote dropped the button press for RIGHT, and just got the OK. Or maybe I just pressed the buttons too fast -- the interface is laggy and I'd developed muscle memory. This started the software update with no way to cancel from the UI. Once it updated, it made me accept a new EULA just to continue using the TV in the way I already used it (which was mostly as an HDMI display). There was no way to even get to the settings dialog to perform a factory reset without accepting the EULA. The device was held hostage until I said "Accept."
This is the level of consent implied by accepting the EULA on a TV: none. It's bullshit. Computers should never have been put in TVs, and a smart TV should never be connected to the internet.
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you talking about? These are not open proxies. You actually think the actors that went to the trouble to surreptitiously set this infrastructure up are going to share it with everyone for free? They are intentionally made hard to detect and access is sold to the highest bidder. Most ISP abuse reports are routinely ignored. They might as well be a dead letter box.
> These are not open proxies. Okay, I was being imprecise. These residential proxies aren't "open proxies" in the traditional sense, but they're usually "open" to anyone willing to pay a small amount of money to use them. > Most ISP abuse reports are routinely ignored. They might as well be a dead letter box. This is where regulation might play a role, or at least a change in attitude. Companies shouldn't be allowed…
Unless you are doing GFW China-level traffic analysis against a blacklist, which again how do you prove?