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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Mindwipe »

tjoff wrote: post #255
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You'd think there might be legal consequences I own an airgapped LG TV. Does anyone actually want to go class action/mass arb?

Airgapped is harder than you might think. If your TV finds an open network (neigbours?) it will use that one. And it is only a matter of time before they have cellular capabilities too.

When was the last time you saw a completely open residential wifi access point in the wild?

This seems a little like worrying about getting Dodo poisoning.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by n1ivih »

I have a Samsung odyssey ultrawide. All I want to do is have it display what I plug into the inputs. But I constantly have to approve new terms of service, install updates and worst of all switching inputs takes forever and often leads me to some tv guide like feature where I can stream a bunch of media.

Lg, Samsung… I mean are there any companies that make a non-smart monitor? This monitor I have was highly recommended on many review sites. Are we just accepting the fact that we don’t truly get to own or control these devices? It’s so frustrating.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by pudgywalsh »

jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

My major sources of spam traffic are Chinese and Indian residential and mobile IP blocks. So there's that.

Second, everybody screamed loudly when they were cracking down on file sharing traffic. You're saying spying on the citizens is ok when it's for this little reason over here, but not this one over there. It doesn't track.

Not to mention most ISP abuse mailboxes are automated these days because they are flooded with LLM-generated reports from "security" grifters.

The tech industry flooding the market with countless IoS (Internet of Shit) devices didn't help. This has moved way beyond accidentally installing spyware on your PC. People are intentionally bugging their homes with these devices.

I understand the FCC is trying to crack down on this stuff - starting with routers - but of course that gets pushback too. You can't win.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by jacobgold »

pudgywalsh wrote: post #383
jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

My major sources of spam traffic are Chinese and Indian residential and mobile IP blocks. So there's that. Second, everybody screamed loudly when they were cracking down on file sharing traffic. You're saying spying on the citizens is ok when it's for this little reason over here, but not this one over there. It doesn't track. Not to mention most ISP abuse mailboxes are automated these days because they are flooded w…

There's no spying required. The NSA and ISPs can find open proxies through infiltration and report them to (e.g. abuse@comcast.com), then Comcast simply has to act on it robustly.

ISPs already deal with abuse reports like this, the system just isn't being operated comptently.

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Post by wnevets »

jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

> Major US ISPs (Comcast, AT&T) should detect clearly suspicious activity coming from customer IPs and warn them to scan their computers, check their TV apps, and find whatever is turning their internet into a proxy. It's very bad for the customers too (slows things down, gets their IP banned, etc)

Does having TLS everywhere make this much harder?

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Post by jacobgold »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #375
jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

> Major US ISPs (Comcast, AT&T) should detect clearly suspicious activity coming from customer IPs and warn them to scan their computers, check their TV apps, and find whatever is turning their internet into a proxy. It's very bad for the customers too (slows things down, gets their IP banned, etc) Is there incentive for them to? If anything, you might be paying extra for the data use and not even know it, right? The…

It may actually be costing them money through higher peak usage (requiring more capacity). I'm not sure but either way the government should have a role if market incentives aren't sufficient.

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Post by TitaRusell »

n1ivih wrote: post #382

I have a Samsung odyssey ultrawide. All I want to do is have it display what I plug into the inputs. But I constantly have to approve new terms of service, install updates and worst of all switching inputs takes forever and often leads me to some tv guide like feature where I can stream a bunch of media. Lg, Samsung… I mean are there any companies that make a non-smart monitor? This monitor I have was highly recommen…

Ha yeah just last night I had Samsung television make me agree to some new terms. Its bloody annoying when you are watching Netflix. And ofcourse they actually want you to read it.

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Post by gambiting »

BeetleB wrote: post #378
gambiting wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I have is....it just works. I'm tired of having to manage 50 different devices to let my son watch some Gabbys Dollhouse on the TV. Our LG CX is now 6 years old and it just works . I only need one remote for all the apps and sound, and I don't need to worry about another device. I've tried both Apple TV and Amazon Fire Stick, and both were (subjectively) worse experiences than just using the apps built in…

> I'm tired of having to manage 50 different devices to let my son watch some Gabbys Dollhouse on the TV. Other than the TV, most people really have only one device (Roku, AppleTV, etc). Why do you need so many? > I only need one remote for all the apps and sound, True with Roku.

It's called a hyperbole. But I already have to babysit a NAS and a media server, and make sure the Playstation and Xbox are up to date and signed in, the last thing I want is another device just to watch netflix on.

>>True with Roku

Can the Roku remote change the input source on the TV?

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Post by pudgywalsh »

jacobgold wrote: post #384
pudgywalsh wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My major sources of spam traffic are Chinese and Indian residential and mobile IP blocks. So there's that. Second, everybody screamed loudly when they were cracking down on file sharing traffic. You're saying spying on the citizens is ok when it's for this little reason over here, but not this one over there. It doesn't track. Not to mention most ISP abuse mailboxes are automated these days because they are flooded w…

There's no spying required. The NSA and ISPs can find open proxies through infiltration and report them to (e.g. abuse@comcast.com), then Comcast simply has to act on it robustly. ISPs already deal with abuse reports like this, the system just isn't being operated comptently.

What are you talking about? These are not open proxies.

You actually think the actors that went to the trouble to surreptitiously set this infrastructure up are going to share it with everyone for free?

They are intentionally made hard to detect and access is sold to the highest bidder.

Most ISP abuse reports are routinely ignored. They might as well be a dead letter box.

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Post by nostrademons »

jhallenworld wrote: post #371

I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…

I had an LG TV for work because my team developed some of the software on it. Similar experience - it got progressively worse (including the software my team developed, which in true Google fashion was deprioritized, discontinued, team laid off, and left to rot without anyone bothering to tell LG that it was no longer being maintained) until by the time I left that team it was nearly unusable as a "smart" TV and all I did was run Netflix and Disney+ on it. Then my kid broke it with a well-placed whack of a plastic sword.

Would definitely not buy with my own money. I actually really like a lot of LG's other appliances (we have a washer, dryer, and dual ovens from them that are great), but for a TV, I just want a dumb screen that I can hook an HDMI cable to and run off a computer.

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