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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by libertine »

inigyou wrote: post #744
libertine wrote: post #741

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No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one. The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right? What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided. It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense. You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc. So why are you trying to…

Why is the Ukraine war the only war that matters? Shouldn't we also stop helping prolong the Iran war? I'm not diluting one event - I'm saying we need to care about all wars.

It matters within the context of this comment thread about a company using assets from specific state commiting genocide that had caused more than 2 million casualties in 4 years.

We're talking about cities razed to the ground, more than a thousand medical facilities destroyed, and of course the systematic and deliberate attempt destruction of a culture - just because they wanted to be a sovereign democracy.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

ejohansson wrote: post #749
inigyou wrote: post #716

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FWIW I don't think anything Kagi is doing is unethical. If I did - if I did feel it was unethical to spend money at a company that is in a country that does war crimes - I'd also have to feel that almost all spending was unethical, including things like buying lunch. On a secondary point, if we want more ethical things to exist, we have to create them. If we want an ethical alternative to Mullvad it's on us to do it.

I think the situation you're in affects what you can reasonably do and hence what can be considered "ethical". You cannot opt out of paying taxes (and buying lunch), but it is possible here for me to avoid funding this war and try to seek better alternatives.

Did you go out of your way to buy a non-Chinese-made phone? You technically have a choice there, but not much of one. About as much of a choice as you have in the search engine business.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by mort96 »

inigyou wrote: post #738
mort96 wrote: post #723

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The criticism is that a share of the money which goes to Kagi goes to Yandex.

I don't see what's wrong with paying Yandex for a good product.

Some people have trouble paying a company that's tightly coupled to the Kremlin

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

carlosjobim wrote: post #748
walrus01 wrote: post #543

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Unfortunately it appears to not be a joke, my best theory is that either the persons running it have sympathies with Russia and their war efforts, or they value the marginal gain in revenue from having Yandex integrated in some sort of ultra cut throat free market capitalism approach with no qualms or concerns about anything ethical or moral.

The two comments above mine is a clear example on how mob mentality works. Albeit an impotent mob rage among anonymous internet commentators, but the exact same mentality that IRL usually escalates into violence and later into the killing of a designated victim(s). Lies and accusations get enforced and exaggerated at every step. From purchasing services from a Russian IT company -> " involved in russian war affairs"…

Trust me, if you've ever been to Germany and paid any attention to their politics, you'll realize they haven't learned anything from the last century.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #730
epolanski wrote: post #605

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1. Yandex is dutch controlled, the russia-related business got sold in 2024 to Russian investors. 2. Yandex was never owned by the Russian government, albeit government-related censorship happened (but so does on Twitter/Google/Meta etc as they all have to comply with local laws where they operate). 3. Kagi answers questions about Russian war crimes. You can try yourself [1] 4. There's no such thing as a legal war, t…

Yandex is russian controlled. Everything Yandex related was sold to russians

Google is US controlled. Not really seeing the difference.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

mort96 wrote: post #753
inigyou wrote: post #738

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I don't see what's wrong with paying Yandex for a good product.

Some people have trouble paying a company that's tightly coupled to the Kremlin

But companies tightly coupled to the White House are fair game? Seems pretty inconsistent.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by x______________ »

libertine wrote: post #741
inigyou wrote: post #706

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Because your argument suffers the fallacy of proving too much. You're trying to say that all Russian technology must be boycotted because it does a war, but your argument also says American technology must be boycotted, Chinese technology must be boycotted and European technology must be boycotted. No transistors for anyone who subscribes to your argument! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-to.…

No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one. The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right? What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided. It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense. You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc. So why are you trying to…

> No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one.

Cherry picking the facts or blinded by your own beliefs? There was conflict for years prior to the announcement of Russia's involvement on the world stage[0].

0 https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-c...

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by x______________ »

inigyou wrote: post #744
libertine wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one. The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right? What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided. It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense. You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc. So why are you trying to…

Why is the Ukraine war the only war that matters? Shouldn't we also stop helping prolong the Iran war? I'm not diluting one event - I'm saying we need to care about all wars.

>Why is the Ukraine war the only war that matters? Shouldn't we also stop helping prolong the Iran war? I'm not diluting one event - I'm saying we need to care about all wars.

Nicely stated.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

echelon wrote: post #644
ifh-hn wrote: post #484

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People have been trying to use technology to solve the problems technology since this began. Your solution is probably the worse pipe dream I've ever seen articulated. You state that current alternatives are too rubbish because you want to use the services you seem to despise. And your willing to pin your hopes on yet another technology to do it because this one is definitely trustworthy and has your best interests a…

Why is everyone here so myopic? Why pay Kagi or whatever at all? How can you trust them or anyone, if this is your belief? Why even pay your ISP? Just go back to candlelight and corn flakes and stay away from radio waves. You'd better not own a smart phone if this is truly how you feel about the world, because it clashes with what you just said. Come on.

People here are myopic because of focusing on screens and/or books during early childhood. It causes your eyes to mis-detect the shape they need for optimal focusing.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by ClikeX »

gonzalohm wrote: post #698
layer8 wrote: post #546

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> ads in disguise These are illegal in most jurisdictions. We need to apply the existing laws.

What about influencers promoting products? I don't think there are any flags indicating that it's an ad

Influencers are required to disclose ads in most places.
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