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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by libertine »

inigyou wrote: post #706
libertine wrote: post #666

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Why are you trying to divert the topic? You don't think the genocide in Ukraine has enough scale of a tragedy, with more than 2 million casualties since 2022? Isn't this enough to flag a product? The Ukrainians posed no threat to anyone, they didn't have a nuclear program, in fact they surrendered the third largest nuclear stockpile and one of the signatures of the memorandum is trying to delete Ukraine. Why are you…

Because your argument suffers the fallacy of proving too much. You're trying to say that all Russian technology must be boycotted because it does a war, but your argument also says American technology must be boycotted, Chinese technology must be boycotted and European technology must be boycotted. No transistors for anyone who subscribes to your argument! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-to.…

No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one.

The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right?

What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided.

It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense.

You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc.

So why are you trying to normalize one event, by diluting it among other events that have no relationship whatsoever with it?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by jawilson2 »

inigyou wrote: post #701
Toldoven wrote: post #640

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As a Ukrainian user of Kagi, their partnership with Yandex is unfortunate, since they are indirectly funding the war, but at the same time I can totally see why it makes sense for the service they're providing With a service like that you want as much diversification as possible, since western search engines can get heavily censored too. Even if they aren't as censored right now, this might change at any moment with…

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'Google Is Censoring Reviews of ICE Detention Centers' - https://theintercept.com/2026/07/20/google-maps-reviews-ice-...

Yes, I have de-googled to the extent possible. I haven't used it for search in more than 3 years, I'm off all of their cloud products including gmail, and I don't use them for auth whenever possible. I'm 100% sure I've missed plenty, but I have to do SOMETHING about Techno-Feudal-Fascism.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

maho wrote: post #504

If a majority of users switch to ad-powered free tiers, a majority of users will see well-written, targeted advice that is ads (lies!) in disguise. This is a horrible future to consider. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

But it what's the solution to free services? There is many people that can't afford to have to pay for search, emails, maps. On top of paying for accessing content, micro transactions. For Internet related companies what if the country the person is from, doesn't have access to the financial system of the country that company is operating from.

I think It might be better to regulate them than remove them. Or to find a solution for people that can't access it.

(Another is higher tiers, free for personal users etc)

I hate ads but I also think about what's the alternative

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

libertine wrote: post #741
inigyou wrote: post #706

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Because your argument suffers the fallacy of proving too much. You're trying to say that all Russian technology must be boycotted because it does a war, but your argument also says American technology must be boycotted, Chinese technology must be boycotted and European technology must be boycotted. No transistors for anyone who subscribes to your argument! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-to.…

No, it's simpler than that - there's an ongoing genocide in Ukraine, a country that was at peace and posed threat to no one. The guys that surrendered their nukes in exchange for security, right? What I'm saying is that anything that helps prolong this war should be avoided. It's not a fallacy, it's actually common sense. You're again trying to dilute the genocide by bringing USA, China, etc. So why are you trying to…

Why is the Ukraine war the only war that matters? Shouldn't we also stop helping prolong the Iran war? I'm not diluting one event - I'm saying we need to care about all wars.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by LtdJorge »

gonzalohm wrote: post #698
layer8 wrote: post #546

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> ads in disguise These are illegal in most jurisdictions. We need to apply the existing laws.

What about influencers promoting products? I don't think there are any flags indicating that it's an ad

In Spain (and I believe the EU), it’s required to indicate it.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by inigyou »

puszczyk wrote: post #740
inigyou wrote: post #719

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Do you use Google? Any Microsoft products? Any Apple products? Any non-Russian computing device?

what’s your point? i boycott russian companies, not american if you don’t see the difference that’s on you ok i admitted it, now call me a hypocrite

The relevant difference between Russia and America seems to be - that Russia is killing less people? Or is there another thing that makes the difference for you?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by carlosjobim »

walrus01 wrote: post #543
siva7 wrote: post #541

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is this a joke? namecheap did years ago the brave move by suspending services to russian customers. why should we support a company that seems involved in russian war affairs?

Unfortunately it appears to not be a joke, my best theory is that either the persons running it have sympathies with Russia and their war efforts, or they value the marginal gain in revenue from having Yandex integrated in some sort of ultra cut throat free market capitalism approach with no qualms or concerns about anything ethical or moral.

The two comments above mine is a clear example on how mob mentality works. Albeit an impotent mob rage among anonymous internet commentators, but the exact same mentality that IRL usually escalates into violence and later into the killing of a designated victim(s).

Lies and accusations get enforced and exaggerated at every step. From purchasing services from a Russian IT company -> " involved in russian war affairs" -> "the persons running it have sympathies with Russia and their war efforts".

I really thought Europeans got this kind of mentality out of their system in the 20th century, but it's alive and well still. And there will be innocent people killed as a consequence. And people here on HN will celebrate and rejoice in that. They know they are on "the right side", and therefore have the right to do anything to anyone. Just like Mr Putin might think over on his side.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by ejohansson »

inigyou wrote: post #716
ejohansson wrote: post #533

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Ouch. I was not aware. Cancelled. It's rough that it's so hard to be an ethical consumer these days. Mullvad gone, Kagi gone.

FWIW I don't think anything Kagi is doing is unethical. If I did - if I did feel it was unethical to spend money at a company that is in a country that does war crimes - I'd also have to feel that almost all spending was unethical, including things like buying lunch. On a secondary point, if we want more ethical things to exist, we have to create them. If we want an ethical alternative to Mullvad it's on us to do it.

I think the situation you're in affects what you can reasonably do and hence what can be considered "ethical". You cannot opt out of paying taxes (and buying lunch), but it is possible here for me to avoid funding this war and try to seek better alternatives.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by coldtea »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #729
coldtea wrote: post #660

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> As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter. No, just bombed, invaded, overthrew governments, etc in dozens of countries all around the world...

Yet not annexed anyone so far (seems like US today is another case).

Given that we talk about mostly white European settlers, just the huge majority of native american lands, a good chunk of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and several smaller places, areas controlled as "banana republics", Phillipines, and who knows, eventually Greenland, and even talk about Canada, unserious as it likely is.

And with no own ethnic population there to begin with or continuous historical ties to the area.

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