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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#181

The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.

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They distilled Fable, in the couple weeks it was available?

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#182
post #44

I love the Chinese models. I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks. DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform). I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather…

Have you looked into OpenCode Zen or OpenCode Go? https://opencode.ai/zen

Zen is nice, but they require US hosting so they don't get new Chinese models right away. There is no Kimi K3.

Go is nice for the ten minutes you can use it until your hit your cap.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#183
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much time do you spend on your setup vs getting a lot of stuff shipped by paying for fabel 5? For me, not using the best model is a huge opportunity cost since my company can afford it.

> For me, not using the best model is a huge opportunity cost since my company can afford I But sometimes not using the "best model" is using the best model. Fable isn't the best at everything. Specialization and optimizations might not just be around cost.

I can see that. I’m just afraid to sync too much time into complex routing schemes when I get pretty consistently good results out of got 5.6 or fabel. For code reviews, I’ll try the best flash and grok at the time but they just don’t come close to gpt 5.6 which has been the best review model for me since 5.5.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the weights are just in the routers now? Love that idea.

The weights are in the meat

They're Made out of Meat: https://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.s...

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#187

I'm skeptical. According to arena.ai, Fable 5 dominates almost every category : https://arena.ai/leaderboard Kimi K3 has an edge in WebDev but struggles to reach top 10 in many other categories.

In my experience, Fable is not even close to Sol 5.6 High (not even the max tier) for coding.

1) it's substantially slower.

2) it's substantially more expensive.

3) it's code is considerably worse.

It's a joke when you consider what you get for what you pay for.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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They distilled Fable, in the couple weeks it was available?

The idea that the Chinese labs cannot make progress except by copying superior American products is just prejudice against the former and exceptionalism of the latter at play. Even the OpenAI top brass have admitted otherwise [1]. China is an equal match in every respect, and we'd better admit this to ourselves sooner rather than later so as to see the game clearly.

[1] https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#190

Why SoTA (uppercase “T”) instead of SotA (lowercase “T”) ? “State of [T]he Art” versus “State of [t]he Art”. If not SotA then at least SOTA, which is more accurate.

I suspect typo.

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