The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.
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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
#182I love the Chinese models. I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks. DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform). I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather…
Have you looked into OpenCode Zen or OpenCode Go? https://opencode.ai/zen
Go is nice for the ten minutes you can use it until your hit your cap.
Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much time do you spend on your setup vs getting a lot of stuff shipped by paying for fabel 5? For me, not using the best model is a huge opportunity cost since my company can afford it.
> For me, not using the best model is a huge opportunity cost since my company can afford I But sometimes not using the "best model" is using the best model. Fable isn't the best at everything. Specialization and optimizations might not just be around cost.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the weights are just in the routers now? Love that idea.
The weights are in the meat
Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
#186Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
#187I'm skeptical. According to arena.ai, Fable 5 dominates almost every category : https://arena.ai/leaderboard Kimi K3 has an edge in WebDev but struggles to reach top 10 in many other categories.
1) it's substantially slower.
2) it's substantially more expensive.
3) it's code is considerably worse.
It's a joke when you consider what you get for what you pay for.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
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They distilled Fable, in the couple weeks it was available?
[1] https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412
Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
#189The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.