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Re: Kimi Work

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Post by wasfgwp »

adventured wrote: post #159
fbrncci wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safe to say there is no moat.

You mean other than the zillion dollars of infrastructure you need to run these systems for a billion users. And the extreme cost to sustain that operation day to day. And the cost to upgrade the infrastructure forever. Remind me which entities (govt or corporate) are going to subsidize that forever. Remind me which entities are going to front the cost just to scale up. By that premise - wherein you forget everything…

Hyperscalers would generally be expected to sell compute to anyone who is willing to pay assuming that supply/demand for datacenter hardware evens out at some point that should become true again.

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Post by Lio »

postalcoder wrote: post #25

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow. Like, I get it, before condex there was conductor and a ton of other guis but this looks like they just copied the code. Also, their privacy disclosure is incredibly misleading: > How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files? You have absolute control over your files. The built-in Ask before acting safeguard means Kimi will prompt you…

You have almost no control with Codex or Claude in that you have to trust them not to break their own rules.

You have almost no control with Kimi either, they can also say one thing and do another. You will not be able to sue a Chinese company if it breaks the law.

I can think of no faster way to hand over your trade secrets or intellectual property than to run something like this.

I think success and dominance for agent providers will eventually come to which ever is able to best guarantee that they don't damage their customers businesses not the cheapest to run.

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Post by DominikPeters »

homarp wrote: post #89
postalcoder wrote: post #25

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow. Like, I get it, before condex there was conductor and a ton of other guis but this looks like they just copied the code. Also, their privacy disclosure is incredibly misleading: > How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files? You have absolute control over your files. The built-in Ask before acting safeguard means Kimi will prompt you…

>kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow. Isn´t codex (edited) Apache 2.0 (thanks @Shank) https://github.com/openai/codex ?

The CLI is open but the GUI is proprietary.

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Post by microtonal »

massysett wrote: post #179
wtfHN26 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets) Americans order Chinese products from SHEIN and Aliexpress type websites. So China did penetrate the US ecommerce market, but they are not taking on Amazon directly. People are buying from the Chinese and reselling on Amazon, which has a good logistics network that Chinese companies can't possibly build in the USA. > absolutely…

“You need to look up Oneplus to see how many people were using their devices till they announced exit from Western markets.” The final part of this sentence shows why there is absolutely no need to look up Oneplus.

Oneplus is owned/backed by Oppo. Their other phone brands like Oppo, Realme, etc. are really popular worldwide. They removed Oneplus from some regions (e.g. EU) where some of their other brands are more popular.

I'm not sure if you are from the US, but if you are, it really gives you a distorted image of what the worldwide smarphone market is like.

E.g. in many European countries, it is 1/3 iPhone, 1/3 Samsung, 1/3 others (which are mostly Chinese brands).

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by gmerc »

Havoc wrote: post #85

People saying copy aren't wrong...but if you can offer a copy at 1/5th of the price then you've got a winning product not a copy

Gmail won on price dumping and commoditising the complements, as did Facebook and Instagram and all of American Tech for two decades. They've just met an opponent able to beat their economics because their shareholders are less greedy. There's only one answer to this, same as for Facebook vs TikTok: Lobby for protection

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Post by Gigachad »

CookieCrisp wrote: post #160
thomasahle wrote: post #149

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> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!

Most people don’t want to play product manager and just want to pay someone to make the decisions for them.

We used to have a time where every small business had its own custom accounting software, and discovered that these businesses aren’t actually special snowflakes and are better off just using the generic software and conforming to whatever it does

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Post by bogdan »

saylisteins wrote: post #112
fttt wrote: post #109

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This is false. Apple’s UI/UX is the reason why they are adored from a physical attraction perspective.

Apple UI/UX sucks though, but all the other alternatives also suck.

Powerusers be damned.

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Post by Gigachad »

piker wrote: post #88
wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

In that case is there not some open harness that demand can coalesce around?

Vs code copilot lets you bring your own api key for services like open router. But it usually only makes sense to do this with the Chinese models because OpenAI/Google/Anthropic heavily punish you for not using their proprietary lock in harness.

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Post by davidpapermill »

saylisteins wrote: post #112
fttt wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false. Apple’s UI/UX is the reason why they are adored from a physical attraction perspective.

Apple UI/UX sucks though, but all the other alternatives also suck.

Keynote has probably the best UX of any software I’ve ever used.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by matesz »

dpacmittal wrote: post #222
gandalfgeek wrote: post #41

wow -- "Let's take something off your plate" just copied word-for-word from the Claude Cowork UI. And it is above the fold in their hero image!

Good. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google built their models by shameless training on works of millions of people without any compensation.

That is an awful take. Although Silicon Valley's tech bros are shameless in their own way, there's no justification for symmetrizing the two.
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