wow -- "Let's take something off your plate" just copied word-for-word from the Claude Cowork UI.
And it is above the fold in their hero image!
Kimi Work
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Re: Kimi Work
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's precisely the problem. People are building UI/UX for a paradigm that is so utterly new that they miss the mark entirely. Everyone defaults to a big chat input because that's all they know. It's the expectation, so it's safer, faster, and cheaper to not deviate. It's also wrong and bad for work.
How would you fix it?
Models need richer context to do well. They also generally need a verifier, but better context is already an improvement. So to fix it, you need to rethink UIs to be agent-first.
I'm not saying Kimi Work and its peers are entirely useless. I'm just saying they're a hack that puts a pretty low upper limit on agent capabilities and speed.
Re: Kimi Work
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
As if American companies don’t copy each other or copy what Chinese firms does.
there is a pretty stark difference between independent US companies copying each other and a state backed chinese company taking data and IP from american citizens.
As opposed to the "state backed" OpenAI and Anthropic that were caught stealing IP in order to develop their products, that also take data and IP from American citizens? Does being less-state-backed make the theft more okay? Or is it okay because they're not Chinese?
Yes China has companies that compete with existing companies, to the point they are copying. Our companies do the same thing (you're gonna tell me no American AI company has stolen the interface of another? or "borrowed" code?). Yes some of China's companies break laws. Our companies also break laws. YCombinator's funded companies have repeatedly bent and broken laws for over 15 years, to the point it's surprising when they don't break a law to gain unfair advantage.
The anti-Chinese rhetoric needs to be reigned in a bit. Yes the Chinese government is culpable in crimes against humanity and abuses of power - but so is the US government and US corporations. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You wanna call out Chinese companies/government? Fine, but don't pretend it's just China.
Re: Kimi Work
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
As if American companies don’t copy each other or copy what Chinese firms does.
there is a pretty stark difference between independent US companies copying each other and a state backed chinese company taking data and IP from american citizens.
The UIs of these systems are pretty natural to come up with. I had a prior program that was not dissimilar. Any IP system that disallows this will likely consider almost all GUI free software to be in violation as well.
In fact, it would be pretty hard to come up with non-infringing software. Did ChatGPT infringe on MSN Messenger? Or Arc Browser?
No, this kind of trivial UI element is not an acceptable use of intellectual property protection. As much as I believe China’s dominance is a threat to the present world order I cannot imagine that attempting this style of IP regime will make us more competitive.
Re: Kimi Work
#45Looks like this can use webBridge, run Python and shell code in the background. Cowork can take over application UI as well which is still a differentiator (and a higher security risk) unless kimi offers it elsewhere.
Re: Kimi Work
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
>They fail to mention that is has unfettered read access to your files. Isn't that totally expected of a coding agent? Otherwise it's like complaining dropbox "has unfettered access to your files".
The repo you’re working on, sure. But all files?
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Re: Kimi Work
#47kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow. Like, I get it, before condex there was conductor and a ton of other guis but this looks like they just copied the code. Also, their privacy disclosure is incredibly misleading: > How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files? You have absolute control over your files. The built-in Ask before acting safeguard means Kimi will prompt you…
if your model ever touches bash, it has unfettered acess to all your files.
Not if the harness applies an OS-level sandbox to the process, as Codex does.
Re: Kimi Work
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
>They fail to mention that is has unfettered read access to your files. Isn't that totally expected of a coding agent? Otherwise it's like complaining dropbox "has unfettered access to your files".
The repo you’re working on, sure. But all files?
Not sure what that's about, I was just copying the wording from OP. Their harness probably has the same restrictions as most other coding harnesses. That is, the read tool gives all project files by default without prompting, and everything else requires manual approval (or opting into auto-run all). If you decide to run it from your home directory however, then your "project" is all your files.
Re: Kimi Work
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
As if American companies don’t copy each other or copy what Chinese firms does.
there is a pretty stark difference between independent US companies copying each other and a state backed chinese company taking data and IP from american citizens.
As opposed to all the shameless copying of all the training data without any respect for its licenses or attribution?
"You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen!"
Re: Kimi Work
#50Pretty shameless copy, but also shows how easy it is to do so. OpenAI and Anthropic had first-mover advantage, but easy come, easy go.