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Post by cdrini »

CookieCrisp wrote: post #160
thomasahle wrote: post #149

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> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!

Out of curiosity, what are your favourite features that are unique to your implementation?

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Post by dpacmittal »

gandalfgeek wrote: post #41

wow -- "Let's take something off your plate" just copied word-for-word from the Claude Cowork UI. And it is above the fold in their hero image!

Good. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google built their models by shameless training on works of millions of people without any compensation.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by windsignaling »

kvisner wrote: post #24

I wish they had some kind of US hosted option, NDR policy, or something like that. I love the price and power, but I have concerns around data sovereignty and leaking IP to an overseas company.

I never really understood this sentiment. Some foreign company / government cannot do anything to me. My own government, on the other hand...

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by wasfgwp »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #180
jascha_eng wrote: post #173

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How did you build your own coding agent? What language/framework did you use?

This comment is a great example of how large and strange the skills gap in AI is right now. Curious why your first impulse is not simply to point your favorite agent at a few examples and start brainstorming/planning from there? Multiple times I’ve built a purpose specific bespoke tool starting this way. In fact, it’s a great way to learn how specialized tools are built.

Presumably people want to hear the opinions of other people and still believe that they might learn more from the their experience than by exclusively interacting with AI models?

The alternative of that first impulse should be what exactly? Telling AI to research Medium AI drivel articles (since nobody seems to be posting long/medium form content anywhere else these days) to figure out what’s the best approach to building an AI harness?

BTW just my personal observation but I generally find AI notoriously bad at building any AI applications compared to standard software (which is not surprising given the scarcity of high quality training data)

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Post by bergen »

stusmall wrote: post #138
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

>Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it.

Yes, and that is how you get a top-heavy k-shaped economy I believe. It is harder and harder to sell premium A+ products, because most people can only afford what works. If my old ice cream vendor charges me 25% more but puts chocolate sprinkles on it i'm going for the non-sprinkle version.

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Post by wasfgwp »

jaggederest wrote: post #119
Maxatar wrote: post #94

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There are but then you're required to pay API prices for them which can end up costing significant multiples of the price of the subscription.

I am confused why they don't just offer a subscription with bring-your-own-harness, that would be a differentiator from claude/codex I think.

I think that pretty much all Chinese providers do that?

And Codex obviously allows that as well. Anthropic is pretty the main exception.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by N_Lens »

fhub wrote: post #193

The most astonishing thing to me about the AI boom is that nobody really has managed to establish vendor lock-in. Switching is so easy.

It's like this in the early days of any technology. It reminds me of the early days of the internet before everything became hyper optimised algorithms.

It's like the late stages of a monopoly game - it's not fun for anyone except the main winner.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by bergen »

adventured wrote: post #151
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

China isn't undercutting anything. Kimi has to be hosted somewhere and is extraordinarily expensive to operate at Fable-levels of capabilities. The moat is (and will always be) the cost to actually operate these models, and that cost will continue to soar, it will not reverse, and the hardware will never keep up such that at-home use somehow becomes economical. It's like releasing a cutting edge search engine, procla…

>Who is going to invest the trillion dollars into infrastructure needed to run the latest version of Kimi 3-5 years out

Everybody that is concerned about their data ownership and residency, and how the US political system is behaving right now. There is a huge incentive to cut off ties with API and subscription providers, especially those based in the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

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Re: Kimi Work

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Post by wasfgwp »

john01dav wrote: post #137
jaggederest wrote: post #119

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I am confused why they don't just offer a subscription with bring-your-own-harness, that would be a differentiator from claude/codex I think.

The Chinese api prices are already so cheap that that is arguably not needed. You can also get $10/month opencode go (which officially can be used with any harness) with basically every major open weight model running inference in a place that I deem more trustworthy than the subject-to-Chinese-law inference options (but research this for yourself, there are some asterisks). This is what I use (in opencode) when I wa…

Isn’t OpenCode just reselling Deepseek’s tokens over the same API? For v4-pro the prices from other providers on OpenRouter are way higher so what else could it be?

Opencode Go already seems extremely unprofitable if people use up at least 30% of their monthly tokens so its hard to imagine they’d go with several times more expensive inference provider yet show Deepseek pricing on their page.

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