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Is there a reason to make a gecko browser that's not a fork of Firefox?
Probably the same reason that people use webkit rather than fork chromium?
What? WebKit and Blink are very different now.
Orion Browser by Kagi
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#292Not available on Windows. DOA.
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Please look up "victim blaming" and understand how it applies in this context. If Islamic terrorists say "if you depict Muhammad, we will attack you", and someone depicts Muhammad and are attacked, we don't say "wow, they really shouldn't have depicted Muhammad, this is their fault". We say "wow, those terrorists are awful." Russia's red lines were never acceptable in the first place, and their existence does not jus…
I love the example you gave because it is demonstrative of one of the most important distinctions between your moral language and the language of geopolitics. If a Muslim attacks someone in a western country, then they will have violated a law. The recipient of the violence is a victim of an infringement of rights garunteed by the government which has authority through the social contract. On the world stage, there i…
> I love the example you gave because it is demonstrative of one of the most important distinctions between your moral language and the language of geopolitics. If a Muslim attacks someone in a western country, then they will have violated a law.
Lol so we can only pass judgement on something if there exists a law that it violates, and an authority that can prosecute it. If there’s no ability to prosecute something, it must be fine, just fine!
> On the world stage, there is no higher authority, rights, or laws. What you have are a set of nations, which by definition, are agents seeking to secure prosperity for themselves.
> This is a classic example of powers butting heads
I keep imagine you looking at Hitler’s actions in the 1930s and concluding “there’s no higher authority than nation states, so this is all just geopolitics, powers butting heads” and refusing to make a judgement on good vs bad.
Maybe a good checksum on your world views is “if it results in what Hitler did being fine, maybe I need to reevaluate”.
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I'll edit this to add: You bring up "distinctions between [my] moral language and the language of geopolitics"... that's what the whole objection to Kagi's founder is about. Confusing geopolitical decision making like "what should U.S. foreign policy be, if we want to maximize the chance of peace", and moral judgements, like "is invading your neighbors to get what you want ok", is the very thing Kagi's founder is doing that I find objectionable. Because you should be able to pass a moral judgement on an action without conflating that with whether the U.S. and its allies made the right strategic moves. It doesn't matter that Russia signaled their actions in advance, it's still not ok to invade another nation. One should be able to clearly see this to be true, and not just sweep it under "it's just politics." Calling it politics is both strictly speaking true, and also a cop-out, because you get to avoid actually making a judgement about whether you think it's right. Kagi's founder did that, and you're doing that here.
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> By viewing ad supported content, you are inherently agreeing to see ads. I agree to absolutely nothing, least of all "inherently". Following a link to a website gives exactly no one the right to assault me with advertising. If they try, I will defend myself with every single technology at my disposal. > That is the product being sold. Not a single thing is being sold here. Browsers make requests, servers can decide…
Ok, I follow. Now why doesn't that logic apply to roadside farm stands? Really I'd just like a general rule that we can apply to any [value transaction] to determine when compensation for that value is optional. So I can quickly evaluate that I should leave money for the produce I take, but I optionally can leave money for the articles I read. Or perhaps roadside stands are fair game for "they could put a lock and on…
> Now why doesn't that logic apply to roadside farm stands?
Because they are completely different categories of business. Stands don't give out free products to anyone who asks. Unlike web servers, they are actually selling stuff. You don't get products unless you pay for them. There is no "I'll give everyone free stuff then hope it comes back to me" deal.
> Really I'd just like a general rule that we can apply to any [value transaction] to determine when compensation for that value is optional.
If they give you the product for free, then compensation is optional. If they charge you money before giving you the product, then compensation is not optional.
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Ok, I follow. Now why doesn't that logic apply to roadside farm stands? Really I'd just like a general rule that we can apply to any [value transaction] to determine when compensation for that value is optional. So I can quickly evaluate that I should leave money for the produce I take, but I optionally can leave money for the articles I read. Or perhaps roadside stands are fair game for "they could put a lock and on…
> Now why doesn't that logic apply to roadside farm stands? Because they are completely different categories of business. Stands don't give out free products to anyone who asks. Unlike web servers, they are actually selling stuff. You don't get products unless you pay for them. There is no "I'll give everyone free stuff then hope it comes back to me" deal. > Really I'd just like a general rule that we can apply to an…
..but they are not giving the product for free, they are putting ads on it. You're the one deciding to ignore the money basket because no one stops you from taking the product for free.
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> Now why doesn't that logic apply to roadside farm stands? Because they are completely different categories of business. Stands don't give out free products to anyone who asks. Unlike web servers, they are actually selling stuff. You don't get products unless you pay for them. There is no "I'll give everyone free stuff then hope it comes back to me" deal. > Really I'd just like a general rule that we can apply to an…
..but they are not giving the product for free, they are putting ads on it. You're the one deciding to ignore the money basket because no one stops you from taking the product for free.
> ..but they are not giving the product for free
They are. Not a single cent changed hands.
> they are putting ads on it
Still free. Attention is not a currency you can pay for things with. Bundling advertisements with free products doesn't magically turn them into paid products.
Further discussion is not possible unless you accept this.
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..but they are not giving the product for free, they are putting ads on it. You're the one deciding to ignore the money basket because no one stops you from taking the product for free.
> ..but they are not giving the product for free They are. Not a single cent changed hands. > they are putting ads on it Still free. Attention is not a currency you can pay for things with. Bundling advertisements with free products doesn't magically turn them into paid products. Further discussion is not possible unless you accept this.
..and putting a money basket in a farm stand doesn't mean the produce costs money?
And yes, advertisements definitely do cover hard costs like hosting (serving you is not free) and paying for the time/expertise to produce the content.
I don't know how you convinced yourself that digital data is worthless, but it's not and actually costs money to make and serve. Just like everything else you (hopefully) have no problem covering the cost of (you don't just take from farm stands, do you?)
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#300Tried Orion again two weeks ago. It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!
Orion syncs history, natively though iCloud sync. Battery consumption should be on par or better than Safari (because Orion has native ad-clocking). If this isn't the case, it is unusual and worth digging deeper into.