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The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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> Whereas in the US you only need to go through fingerprinting only once Once for each arrival.

not for US citizens at least, whereas I get fingerprinted entering and exiting as an EU citizen in the EU.

That's weird. When I enter France from outside Schengen they don't fingerprint me, and I'm not even a European citizen.

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As has been discussed elsewhere, this sounds more like you are flagged than SOP.

Never had a problem, never any hint or talk that anything is amiss. Always extremely routine.

> never any hint or talk that anything is amiss

there never is

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not for US citizens at least, whereas I get fingerprinted entering and exiting as an EU citizen in the EU.

That's weird. When I enter France from outside Schengen they don't fingerprint me, and I'm not even a European citizen.

Maybe not at land crossings. I just exited from Portugal and got fingerprinted on exit and entry. Granted I was using my US passport, not my EU

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U.S. border agents really are just worse. Much worse. (I can't say what racial profiling adds to that, I can only speak to my own experiences). I've been routinely grilled and extensively searched many times just crossing between the U.S. and Canada - the most hilarious instance being when I was crossing from Yukon Territory back to Alaska some 10 years ago. In Latin America, things are considerably more professional…

From what I've heard, Canada is actually a lot worse than the US. I was traveling as part of a party of five (different travel dates, separate ETA filings, no apparent connection). One of us didn't get an ETA. Another got one just before the trip (and it was a 13-year-old child). The rest of us got ours immediately, but I was questioned at the border for 10+ minutes with no apparent reason, and then allowed in withou…

From what I heard anecdotally, Canadian officers are trained to “interrogate” everyone believing the added duress will cause people to slip up and reveal they are really a terrorist or some such.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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This all reminds me about how RealID was vital to secure us from terrorism, and it took 20 years to get it in place... with no significant terrorist actions in that timeframe. IMHO this level of tracking ain't worth the safety gained. Seems like safety gain is just the excuse at this point.

A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.

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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

I’m just annoyed at all the visa-free claims while they charge you and you need a pre-approval anyway.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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> In border security there are generally two camps Well, there is a third camp. Israeli-style bio-social profiling of 100% of travelers. That really makes travel awful !

Tbf Israel has more concern than travelers' comfort, given everything happening around them AND maybe within them too.

Those auto-turrets wont discriminate by themselves

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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What's unclear to me here is this: under this new scheme does the USA get access to the biometric data of people not travelling to the USA?

From the analysis linked in TFA: "The automated query can be based on: * Identity information included in the application or in travel documents, such as name, date of birth, national ID number, and/or * the fingerprint of an individual." Sounds like they could send requests to that computer system just based on publicly available information on a person like name and date of birth, even if the person never applied f…

Only the people who travel to the US should be included in this farce and vice versa the other way…

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

#249

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U.S. border agents really are just worse. Much worse. (I can't say what racial profiling adds to that, I can only speak to my own experiences). I've been routinely grilled and extensively searched many times just crossing between the U.S. and Canada - the most hilarious instance being when I was crossing from Yukon Territory back to Alaska some 10 years ago. In Latin America, things are considerably more professional…

From what I've heard, Canada is actually a lot worse than the US. I was traveling as part of a party of five (different travel dates, separate ETA filings, no apparent connection). One of us didn't get an ETA. Another got one just before the trip (and it was a 13-year-old child). The rest of us got ours immediately, but I was questioned at the border for 10+ minutes with no apparent reason, and then allowed in withou…

I'm a US citizen, living in the EU and have global entry, etc... I've been to Canada once on business and they asked more questions than I've ever had asked on all my frequent travels back and forth EU-US.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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> in the EU you need to go through it both on every arrival and every departure. You absolutely don't. If you've done it once on your passport/ID you don't need to do it again. And infact there are fast track autonomous lanes that you can just scan your EU passport with biometric chip and fly through. (In theory, there's always idiots who don't realise they don't have it)

I just visited Italy. We absolutely passed through biometric scans on arrival and departure from FCO (US passports, vacation so no paper visa). And then again at DUB outbound (US pre-clearance, so the normal Global Entry kiosk). All of this was expected. The only thing that surprise me was there was no passport check or any other custom/immigration at Dublin on the inbound leg. We just walked from the arrival gate to…

Ireland is not in Schengen, so you were doing an international-to-international transfer. You normally don't have to go through immigration and customs for those, unless there are specific legal requirements or the airport is poorly organized.
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