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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, if you don’t change your passport you only have to scan your fingerprints once in the EU.

I have just returned from the EU last week and I have been fingerprinted twice — once on entry and once on exit. The US passport holders get fingerprinted on entry only, as I’ve heard.

Ok, weird, I don’t know how the system works then. My wife is Colombian and on her last entry she just scanned her passport and that was it.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #18

I fail to understand the distinction between an ESTA and a visa to be honest. You need to do the paperwork in advance, pay, provide all sort of personal information, and it can be denied, and if approved only for a limited amount of time. Given that both the EU and the UK have reciprocated, it is a fiction that there exists some visa free travel between these 3 zones. And the more hassle you create, the less tourism…

ESTA and visas are two different things: - with ESTA, your country of origin is "trusted" and individuals in general undergo a lower level of scrutiny at a US port of entry. - with a VISA, you country of origin is "not trusted" and individuals are granted the right to travel to the US after they undergo interviews at an US embassy and get approved. Neither is a right to enter the US. Just a right to be transported by…

And only one gives you a sticker on your passport

(And funnily enough the Visa lasts for a longer time)

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #91

Why isn't screening tech globalized on a planetary level? Shouldn't someone like INTERPOL take care of that?

No chance the world powers (US, China, France, UK, etc.) will allow something like that unless they are the one who create and enforce it. It's basically the first line of defense for homeland security: don't let terrorists into your country.

Isn't that why there's an org like Interpol with 192 countries "members" or "represented" I'm not sure which. Everyone owns it together kinda thing

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #120
post #91

Why isn't screening tech globalized on a planetary level? Shouldn't someone like INTERPOL take care of that?

I doubt the US would ever outsource something like this (border security) to an international organization like INTERPOL. It uses INTERPOL to track down and catch wanted people abroad, but that's it.

What do you think is stopping the US? It could be privacy but I don't think that would hold up in the public court as the US is way worse than EU when it comes to privacy regulations... what else? Control?

And we're not talking about "border security" in its entirety, just the screening/identifying part.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #128
post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

This all reminds me about how RealID was vital to secure us from terrorism, and it took 20 years to get it in place... with no significant terrorist actions in that timeframe. IMHO this level of tracking ain't worth the safety gained. Seems like safety gain is just the excuse at this point.

A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

I hate all this biometric scanning on all sides. As an American it makes me not want to visit the EU to avoid being scanned, and I'd understand the other way too if an EU member was visiting the us.

In the US there have been notorious mistakes of using biometrics to falsely recognize an unknown criminal. Does this happen in the EU too?

It's probably too late but we should try to get rid of this.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

> Whereas in the US you only need to go through fingerprinting only once Once for each arrival.

not for US citizens at least, whereas I get fingerprinted entering and exiting as an EU citizen in the EU.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

No, if you don’t change your passport you only have to scan your fingerprints once in the EU.

i just traveled to the EU last week and you're wrong, got fingerprinted on entrance and exit

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

You don’t get fingerprints collected on departure, just on arrival. Unless you go through automated gates maybe?

wrong

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

I hate all this biometric scanning on all sides. As an American it makes me not want to visit the EU to avoid being scanned, and I'd understand the other way too if an EU member was visiting the us. In the US there have been notorious mistakes of using biometrics to falsely recognize an unknown criminal. Does this happen in the EU too? It's probably too late but we should try to get rid of this.

I suspect that false imprisonment/recognition cases are lessened with biometrics, not increased. I absolutely believe you can point me to individual cases though.
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