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Post by permalac »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

Midterm may accelerate the process.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by qaq »

khurs wrote: post #126
pupppet wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tech bros lining up at Donald’s inauguration to kiss his ring suggests otherwise.

They are business leaders who need to do what's best for the business. They have to work with whoever is in office once elected.

well they traded short term gain for long term pain.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

Yes European GDP, especially buying power has been pretty flat over last decades. They simply cannot afford US made products anymore.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by mcv »

lysace wrote: post #21
ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB95326824311657269 ( https://archive.is/N46di ) Why We Spy on Our Allies March 17, 2000 11:56 am ET By R. James Woolsey, a Washington lawyer and a former director of central intelligence. We'll begin with some candor from the American side. Yes, my continental European friends, we have spied on you. And it's true that we use computers to sort through data by using keywords. Have you stop…

Yes, but the US bribes too. In fact, I'd say that corruption is more common in the US than in much of Europe. The article's claim that the US worships Adam Smith is only nominally true; in practice, they love nothing more than monopolisation and market domination.

> Have you stopped to ask yourselves what we're looking for?

Any advantage that they can exploit. It's no great secret that the US government often acts on behalf of its major corporations and vice versa.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by lelanthran »

bob1029 wrote: post #79
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Not enough humans to deal with physical machines and the compliance issues around them. I agree if we are operating a cat meme distribution business that AWS starts to look a bit overkill. Something like a banking consultancy is a different matter. Good luck passing due diligence as a bank's vendor when you are also physically responsible for the machines. You can do this, but it sucks and it's your entire job + over…

> I agree if we are operating a cat meme distribution business that AWS starts to look a bit overkill. Something like a banking consultancy is a different matter.

I think it's the other way around. At the extreme scales you don't want AWS.

If you're running a cat meme distribution business, a single senior skilled techie will cheaply get you set up on a VPS (or a bunch of them) with the services you need.

If you're a bank, you have all the budget in-house to babysit your own VPS and stand up your own equivalents to whatever the fuck it is you were using on AWS, and follow all regulations. Because, face it, as a bank, the type of regulations you meet by using AWS is a tiny fraction of all the regulations you have to follow, so there is literally a team within the bank tasked purely with making sure all banking regulations are followed, and that team exists even if you're on AWS for everything.

The only place AWS makes sense is if you're a company with no technical department in the first place.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by everfrustrated »

inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Because AWS technical expertise are second to none. And for most companies their AWS spend is small % of overheads. Sure they could spend less but their marketing department is lighting money on fire so that would be premature optimization.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by mft_ »

akersten wrote: post #58
mft_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your entire business decision is driven solely by an emotional response to Hetzner having a policy that needs ID, maybe you’re not the right person to be making these sort of decisions?

> emotional response to Hetzner having a policy that needs ID It seems to me more like smart business tact, figuring out early on whether your infrastructure provider will be easy to work with or a bureaucratic pain in the ass

Not from a single data point. You have no way of knowing whether this is, on the one hand, a single reasonable request or, on the other, the start of a pattern of bureaucratic pain.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by kergonath »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

No, that’s the new status quo. Even if democrats get in power next time:

1) it’s fairly unlikely that they give up on more powers voluntarily (exactly how much of the patriot act and the post-9/11 rules were given up by Obama and Biden?)

2) there is always the possibility of a future switch to another populist nutcase (or hell, any nutcase really). We are not going to trust American voters to be sensible anymore. We’ll need a couple of sane administrations and long-term polling data for that.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

andrewla wrote: post #132
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

What do you see as the alternative for the purposes of this discussion? Are we talking cloud vs. on-prem or colo, or are we talking AWS vs. other-cloud? For the first (cloud vs. non-cloud) it's clear that cloud has some advantages because you don't have to manage hardware. For the second (AWS vs. other-cloud), at least in my experience, AWS is simply the best experience available. If anything the other cloud provider…

> Are we talking cloud vs. on-prem or colo, or are we talking AWS vs. other-cloud?

We all just forgot you can rent a server huh

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by lysace »

TMWNN wrote: post #59
lysace wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB95326824311657269 ( https://archive.is/N46di ) Why We Spy on Our Allies March 17, 2000 11:56 am ET By R. James Woolsey, a Washington lawyer and a former director of central intelligence. We'll begin with some candor from the American side. Yes, my continental European friends, we have spied on you. And it's true that we use computers to sort through data by using keywords. Have you stop…

I haven't read the op-ed, but I wonder if it talks about the French Leclerc case? TIL that when Greece tested four tanks in 2000 before a big arms purchase, the US M1A1 Abrams and British Challenger 2E tanks had trouble with their satellite navigation systems. A French intelligence agency used GPS jammers to help the French Leclerc tank in the competition. https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6bhr14/til_th.…

I think this was about two separate events in 1994:

Among the allegations: that the NSA fed information to Boeing and McDonnell Douglas enabling the companies to beat out European Airbus Industrie for a $ 6 billion contract; and that Raytheon received information that helped it win a $ 1.3 billion contract to provide radar to Brazil, edging out the French company Thomson-CSF. These claims follow previous allegations that the NSA supplied U.S. automakers with information that helped improve their competitiveness with the Japanese (see "Company Spies," May/June 1994).

https://irp.fas.org/program/process/991101-echelon-mj.htm

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