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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by luke5441 »

michaelt wrote: post #119
troupo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt US tech understands. For one, they are deeply in bed with the current administration (for any definition of current, past, and future). For another, they fight tooth and nail any and all sovereignity of data even within their own walled gardens. See decade of battles by Google, Apple, Facebook etc. in the EU.

The true extent of the damage has yet to be seen. The Trump administration is a shot across the bows for Europeans, undoubtedly. But do they have to up their defence spending a bit, engage in some tough talk, reduce their dependence on imported energy, and gift Trump some gold-plated furniture? Or do they have to do that and eliminate their dependence on Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Intel, AMD, nvidia,…

We will up the defence spending until Trump doesn't have the "card" of removing Ukraine support anymore.

Then having a digital services tax starts looking like free money with few downsides to the EU. And the defence spending increases funding requirements.

The dependence would be eliminated by taxing it away.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by andrewla »

inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

What do you see as the alternative for the purposes of this discussion? Are we talking cloud vs. on-prem or colo, or are we talking AWS vs. other-cloud?

For the first (cloud vs. non-cloud) it's clear that cloud has some advantages because you don't have to manage hardware.

For the second (AWS vs. other-cloud), at least in my experience, AWS is simply the best experience available. If anything the other cloud providers go out of their way to offer special deals and cozy customer relationships to try to get customers to switch, but AWS is still the gold standard in availability and uptime and ease of use.

The gap is narrowing as the field becomes more commoditized though. And I think that's what we're really seeing here. As things like k8s get more common, solutions are becoming more and more substrate-independent, so companies hunt for smaller, more local, cheaper, ambitious alternatives. Everyone is scared of vendor lock-in so it's getting harder for cloud providers to offer distinguishing features.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

The long-term trends don't exactly reverse under Democratic administrations.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by Frieren »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

> For 2.5 more years.

That would not be a big problem. But the next Republican president may be even worse than Trump. Trump is just the symptom of a deeper corruption problem.

That things will fix themselves when Trump is not in the White House anymore is a dangerous misconception.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by newsclues »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

What’s the excuse for when the problems remain when the leadership changes?

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by himinlomax »

inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

They provide a service that simply nobody (except GCP and Azure) can easily match.

It's expensive, but you get what you pay for.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by andrewla »

I think a lot of commenters here are missing the ball with the idea that this is a foreign policy or anti-US sentiment emerging.

The core reality is that cloud infrastructure is becoming commoditized, and substrate-independence is becoming not only possible but the default. So companies looking for things like lower cost or better customer support are looking around and seeing that smaller rising competitors are going to be a better option. Compliance with local regulatory regimes are going to be a factor as the EU continues its efforts to push European companies towards using EU infrastructure.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by atonse »

leopoldj wrote: post #105

This link is an opinion piece. For a better technical and legal background this link from the same The Register is much better: https://www.theregister.com/paas-and-iaas/2026/07/16/airbus-...

Thank you. That’s already better than the original article that comes off as an unhinged rant with name calling.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by dylan604 »

petilon wrote: post #128
cleverfoo wrote: post #99

What doesn't get talked about in these articles is the increasing impact to small business in the US. I run a small business (scanii.com) and I've noticed over the past year an increasing number of customers leaving us to European competitors, customers that have been happy with us for years, using our European region, but now have concerns over US foreign policy and are giving preferred treatment to EU suppliers. Wh…

> I fear rough waters ahead. For 2.5 more years.

It'll be longer than that. If during that 2.5 years more and more companies move away from US companies, why do you think they would just abandon the non-US company to move back to a US company? The non-US company would have to be sooooo bad for that to happen. Also, there's no guarantee that the next US administration will be the opposite of the current, and even if it is there's no guarantee the one after that won't flip back.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by jurgenburgen »

mrngld wrote: post #33
amelius wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a proven case of USA pulling the plug. Not sure which is worse.

Do we? From a EU-hosted location? Becoming a sanctioned entity wouldn't count -- if Airbus somehow made the business decision to start selling drones directly to Uyghur slave labor camps in western China and got itself on a list of sanctioned companies even Scaleways couldn't help them. I think that's a thinly veiled excuse for a much more mundane reason this is happening; their government stakeholders asked them to…

If we continue using US hyperscalers then we deserve to have our industries turned off when Trump decides to grab Greenland. Being stupid should get punished.
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