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Post by lysace »

ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB95326824311657269 (https://archive.is/N46di)

Why We Spy on Our Allies

March 17, 2000 11:56 am ET

By R. James Woolsey, a Washington lawyer and a former director of central intelligence.

We'll begin with some candor from the American side. Yes, my continental European friends, we have spied on you. And it's true that we use computers to sort through data by using keywords. Have you stopped to ask yourselves what we're looking for?

tl;dr: "You bribe, so we spy"

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Post by wongarsu »

ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

From the NY Times, 1995:

> Spying on allies for economic advantage is a crucial new assignment for the C.I.A. now that American foreign policy is focused on commercial interests abroad. President Clinton made economic intelligence a high priority of his Administration, specifically information to protect and defend American competitiveness, technology and financial security in a world where an economic crisis can spread across global markets in minutes

At the time "only" to have the upper hand in trade negotiations, and presumably when "having the President press foreign countries to award business to American firms", as they call it. But that was 30 years ago, and trust that these these things aren't directly forwarded to US private industry is in short supply these days

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/15/world/emerging-role-for-t...

https://archive.is/LmEA1 (same site without paywall)

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by lancebeet »

ttoinou wrote: post #4

Do we have proven (or probable) case of USA industrial espionage ?

Well, yes, since long before the current administration. It's mentioned multiple times (with examples) in the European Parliament's "The Echelon Affair" report.[0] But it seems to me that this is not really what you're asking, but rather you're implying that there's no justification for this move other than European protectionism. If this is the case, I would argue that a sitting administration actively threatening with the invasion of your territories is a compelling argument for politicians and business leaders to evaluate alternatives.

[0] https://historicalarchives.europarl.europa.eu/files/live/sit...

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Post by ThePhysicist »

inigyou wrote: post #15
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to Europe, the land of sustainable business. We do not need to grow just to pollute our planet and die a painful death, individually and as a species. If you still think your Hetzner registration process is convoluted, try getting a license for IDA Pro. You'll love the experience, I promise. !/s

Yeah I've noticed that while America takes the approach of trying to keep your personal information secret, Europe takes the approach of requiring it to be shared around, but also protecting it with harsh laws for misuse. Things that are anonymous sign-up in America are KYC in Europe.

DigitalOcean simply does this at a later stage and will then just cut you off, Hetzner is doing it from the start. Their obligations aren't so different, they just approach this differently. It's the same thing with Stripe, it's cool that they just let you sign up and process transactions but at some point they will look at your business and if they don't like it they will just cut you off.

Also Hetzner really doesn't care much about individuals as far as I know, they mostly do business with other businesses and that's where the money is, their business is not designed to handle millions of individual users, DigitalOcean might also simply have a different strategy there.

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Post by mr_toad »

cryo32 wrote: post #18
areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

AWS, GCP, Azure don’t care either.

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Post by p-e-w »

cryo32 wrote: post #18
areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

Just because a company wants to know who you are doesn’t mean they are entitled to a scan of a sensitive government document that can be used to commit identity theft.

I’m amazed that it is even legal for businesses to ask for that at all, outside of a few exceptional cases of which “I want to rent a server” most certainly isn’t one.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

In a hostile jurisdiction, I suppose based on your argument.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

mr_toad wrote: post #25
cryo32 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found a competent supplier who doesn't want to know who you are. I entirely exclude Digital Ocean from competent suppliers.

AWS, GCP, Azure don’t care either.

Sure. That’s why they call you to verify that you open a new account. That’s why they ask me for company information. Because they don’t care…

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Post by mft_ »

areoform wrote: post #8

A study in contrasts, I signed up my business with Hetzner. And the first thing I saw during onboarding was a demand to upload my ID to spend $5 to test their service (I was testing before we bought). I wrote to customer service and got, Dear Client, We received your email. Thanks for writing to us. You have probably realized that this is an automated message. We need some time to process each email that we receive,…

If your entire business decision is driven solely by an emotional response to Hetzner having a policy that needs ID, maybe you’re not the right person to be making these sort of decisions?

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by mr_toad »

sparkling wrote: post #17

>Airbus isn't ditching Microsoft any time soon because there's nowhere to go. Likewise Google productivity apps because the only place to go is Microsoft. [x] doubt There a perfectly suitable office and productivity suites, but if your requirement is that every obscure feature from a .doc file created in 2003 needs to work... well then yes, you only have one provider to choose from.

It’s the queue of users who want to be hand held because they can’t do X, or open Y, that IT doesn’t want to deal with.

Also, there’s no budget for training any more.

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