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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Forgive me, but what does Jony Ive know about building platforms?

being an exec at apple for decades you probably pick up on a few things, even if they're beyond your department

Oh so now we are paying billions of dollars for one guy who 'might have picked up a few things'

Nothing says idiotic bubble more than this

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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“ Or maybe it was a loose ethical environment in general” Altman doesn’t appear to be a beacon of corporate ethics. There has to be a reason why almost every single important partnership OpenAI had, abruptly ended, except for maybe Nvidia. Just recently Satya Nadella publicly implied that OpenAI should not be trusted. They are slowly becoming the STD of the AI industry, it’s like they think they are too big and aweso…

"Altman doesn’t appear to be a beacon of corporate ethics." Do those exist? I'm usually happy to see a mild candle flicker in the ethics window.

Yes, all corporations have their obscure interests and don’t profit from being ethical. But we can also agree there’s a distinction between companies like Enron, Purdue Pharma, Meta, Lehman Brothers, Flock and Apple, Walmart, Verizon and Ford. They are all unethical to some degree, but the first group actually conspired to commit terrible crimes or are borderline criminal. We don’t know yet where OpenAI belongs to but it’s looking more and more like they want to join the first group.

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Andry Grove was great, but Intel really was the epitome of "competition is for losers" In the early days all their products were explicitly designed to only work with each other to create a hardware walled garden.

Compared to Apple/DEC/Sun/SGI, the Intel ecosystem was remarkably open.

Open to Microsoft…

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The car that has sold out in almost every market outside the US?

Both the cybertruck and apple vision pro basically sold out upon release... Selling out does not mean shit. Just proves there are many fools out there with too much money.

Which one was sold at a loss?

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

> Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That's why Apple used open-source software to build a kernel. And why they used third party developers to develop the ecosystem of applications.

Apple originally was gonna use the Internet for apps on the iPhone, but the third party developers convinced Apple otherwise?

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

> Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. Ahistoric jibber jabber. Microsoft gave it their very best shot with Windows Phone. Facebook renamed the entire company to make VR happen. These companies have shoved everything they got into making these platforms, and their fate would not have been different if they had been given another billion. Platforms are hard to make, an…

The last vertical computer company left from the 1980s when they were several American companies that designed the operating system and the hardware to go with it.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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It's insane to cross Apple. In the worst case Apple could take the ChatGPT app down like they did to Fortnite. They are probably waiting for discovery to find out how high this goes.

> Apple could take the ChatGPT app down

No. If Apple did that without a basis in their own App Store policies, they'd spawn antitrust cases. OpenAI damages are a droplet compared to the App Store revenues.

> It's insane to cross Apple

... on the question of employee confidentiality. Because the IP landscape is so muddled, they try hard to keep employees happy (most don't leave), and they're very, very good at writing, securing, and enforcing confidentiality agreements.

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Yeah, I feel like given two bad choices the EU’s tendency would be to go with a third, worse option.

the US is looking to break up the EU and is sending its rich people to make riots and violence. choosing chinese seems like a shoo in for better operators

> the US is looking to break up the EU and is sending its rich people to make riots and violence

Yes. If our people believe Beijing isn't looking to undermine European integration, we deserve what's coming to us. Simplistic analysis results from illiteracy.

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> There are no practical laws against understanding the laws of physics, chemistry, and metallurgy Except there are. It’s why clean-room design [1] is a thing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean-room_design

Clean-room design isn’t a thing in manufacturing.

> Clean-room design isn’t a thing in manufacturing

What are you basing this on? Source?!?

I've personally done this in an aerospace context.

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When Intel was on top of the world they tried every trick to destroy the competition so that definitely didn't stemmed from the top...

Andry Grove was great, but Intel really was the epitome of "competition is for losers" In the early days all their products were explicitly designed to only work with each other to create a hardware walled garden.

I think it's fair to say absorbing functions onto the CPU die, reducing the part count of motherboards, was a natural evolution of the PC and made sense. So I don't really fault Intel for that. But they definitely had other tricks up their sleeve...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v....

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