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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by paradox460 »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #219
proee wrote: post #208

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At this point in his career, Jony Ive is best suited for doing deep dive studies on the corner-radius of new products. And even then, you might as well just default it to that of an ipad, because that seems to be his preference for all things, including $650k Ferraris.

He has no taste anymore. He was right once, made too much money, and lost touch with everything. Now he's a tasteless boomer.

Even that's a stretch. Without Dieter Rams Braun designs, he likely wouldn't have anything

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Post by senordevnyc »

thewebguyd wrote: post #316
senordevnyc wrote: post #287

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If OpenAI used any of Apple's secrets broadly, Apple could ask the court for an injunction to block the deployment of any software from OpenAI. If discovery proves the IP contamination spread into other areas within OpenAI, it could completely freeze all of their deployments. I find this so funny. Can you share an example or two of where something like this has ever happened to one of the largest companies in the wor…

> Can you share an example or two of where something like this has ever happened to one of the largest companies in the world? Waymo (Google) vs. Uber & Anthony Levandowski. Google was granted an injunction that ordered Uber to immediately halt all development on self driving tech. Apple also bankrupted Pystar for stealing trade secrets. Levandowski would have served actual jail time if he didn't get a pardon. Proper…

That’s not true! Only Levandowski was barred from working on self-driving, the judge specifically elected NOT to force Uber to stop all self-driving work [1], let alone stop all software work, let alone this being anything that was a mortal threat to Uber. Uber was also worth about $50 billion at the time, about 1/20th the size of OpenAI.

The point isn’t that an injunction is impossible, but the idea that Apple will get an injunction that shuts down all software deployments at OpenAI, leading to the end of the company, is pure fantasy.

1. https://www.wired.com/2017/05/uber-waymo-injunction/

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Post by senordevnyc »

the_lucifer wrote: post #294
senordevnyc wrote: post #280

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This take seems wildly disconnected from reality. My prediction: this will result in a relatively modest undisclosed settlement and OpenAI won’t abandon, or even modify, their hardware product because of this. And Apple definitely won’t get an “open kimono” to everything OpenAI has planned. This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. People are taking sid…

> most well-capitalized companies Huh what? Since when is OpenAI's IOU's and paper money worth more than Apple's cold hard cash? They have been backing away from their infrastructure commitments and literally pushing their IPO out. Their "value" might fly with idiot VC's that are willing to throw money at them based on vibes. They are "big" on paper, nothing close to the financial heft of Apple. If anything this is w…

How much do you think they actually need to fight this?

BP spent a billion on defense attorneys for Deepwater Horizon. There’s a zero percent chance it costs OpenAI anywhere close to that to fight this, but even if it did, a billion over the next few years wouldn’t even be a speed bump for them.

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Post by narism »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #305
PunchyHamster wrote: post #264

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When Intel was on top of the world they tried every trick to destroy the competition so that definitely didn't stemmed from the top...

Andry Grove was great, but Intel really was the epitome of "competition is for losers" In the early days all their products were explicitly designed to only work with each other to create a hardware walled garden.

Compared to Apple/DEC/Sun/SGI, the Intel ecosystem was remarkably open.

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Post by senordevnyc »

quickthrowman wrote: post #327
senordevnyc wrote: post #280

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This take seems wildly disconnected from reality. My prediction: this will result in a relatively modest undisclosed settlement and OpenAI won’t abandon, or even modify, their hardware product because of this. And Apple definitely won’t get an “open kimono” to everything OpenAI has planned. This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. People are taking sid…

> This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. OpenAI being well-capitalized made me laugh out loud, thanks for the humor :) Apple has a ridiculous amount of cash, AA credit, and makes $100B of net income per year. OpenAI has none of those attributes, what they do have is investors willing to bankroll them, for now.

OpenAI just closed the largest funding round in SV history, $122 billion. The idea that you’d find it laugh out loud funny to call them well-capitalized just reveals your bias.

OpenAI has plenty of cash to fight this. Apple having hundreds of billions doesn’t actually mean anything in a legal fight that might cost OpenAI nine figures in legal fees, maybe? If it goes for years?

A historic judgment against OpenAI (zero chance of that here) might actually drive them out of business, but they’re far beyond the threshold of being well-capitalized enough to fight Apple on this for years.

This is a nothingburger.

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Post by an0malous »

the_lucifer wrote: post #296
an0malous wrote: post #190

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> This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. I wonder if they’ll be the Lehman Brothers of this bubble

> I wonder if they’ll be the Lehman Brothers of this bubble That's exactly what this Yahoo Finance article today calls them at least [1] [1]: https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/lehman-brot...

Can’t wait to see all these libertarian venture capitalists begging for another government bailout

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Post by nullsanity »

milkshakes wrote: post #310
wbl wrote: post #308

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Every Wall Street bank is run by guys who get that there are rules to this game and you don't squeeze the unsophisticated the same way. The same can't be said for Silicon Valleys contribution to the brokerage world.

is this a joke?

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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by iJohnDoe »

Apple is known for hiring the best and the brightest. These employees are clearly trash. Apple obviously missed the mark on these hires or they have a systemic problem in their hiring process.

What a shame when there are amazing people out there that would love to work at Apple and would follow the rules and do a great job.

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Post by ulfw »

UltraSane wrote: post #319
proee wrote: post #208

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At this point in his career, Jony Ive is best suited for doing deep dive studies on the corner-radius of new products. And even then, you might as well just default it to that of an ipad, because that seems to be his preference for all things, including $650k Ferraris.

I don't think the new Ferrari looks bad, just not like a Ferrari.

It would make a nice 35,000$ Nissan as designed. Not a 650,000$ Ferrari

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by ulfw »

ricardobayes wrote: post #162
Zigurd wrote: post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

AI model providers have zero "moat", clients change them as they see fit. This week ChatGPT, next week Claude. The real value is and going to be in hardware - as long as China doesn't enter the GPU/RAM race. I increasingly see AI investment, generally speaking, as a lost cause. It has very little chance to pay off.

Idiotic US policy has led to China entering the GPU/RAM race.

You ban access, other countries aren't just going to give up. They'll start innovating and at some point likely outinnovating you

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