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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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being an exec at apple for decades you probably pick up on a few things, even if they're beyond your department

The Luce seems to disprove that, at least in his case.

I believe "Luce" is correctly pronounced "Apple Car"

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

AI model providers have zero "moat", clients change them as they see fit. This week ChatGPT, next week Claude. The real value is and going to be in hardware - as long as China doesn't enter the GPU/RAM race.

I increasingly see AI investment, generally speaking, as a lost cause. It has very little chance to pay off.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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FT frames this as some aggressive escalation tactic, but document retention letters are extremely standard practice. At this point they're basically a formality, as any former Apple employee at OpenAI really ought to know by now that they could get dragged into this. Hold letters can be aggressive if you send them before you've even filed a complaint, but if anything, Apple is late to the party with these.

They’re not late to the IPO party, which was postponed by OpenAI, It may turn out that that was a mistake. OpenAI probably should’ve gone ahead, particularly in light of the pending court case.

Would they have had to disclose a known Apple lawsuit threat in the IPO disclosures? If so that might explain the delay...

Also Apple could have filed the litigation right before the IPO and after a IPO announcement. OpenAI doesn't get to decide when Apple sues them.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

AI model providers have zero "moat", clients change them as they see fit. This week ChatGPT, next week Claude. The real value is and going to be in hardware - as long as China doesn't enter the GPU/RAM race. I increasingly see AI investment, generally speaking, as a lost cause. It has very little chance to pay off.

I'm just happy we get to reap the rewards "for free" (i.e open models are slowly becoming usable, and the winner of the arms race will definitely stand on the shoulders of their competitors that didn't make it)

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Just to be clear, these are letters to individuals about the existing lawsuit with OpenAI, not new lawsuits against individuals.

> these are letters to individuals about the existing lawsuit with OpenAI, not new lawsuits against individuals My guess is these employees weren’t chosen randomly. If they refuse to coöperate with Apple, they’ll get personally sued as well. And the reality of the matter is, given Altman’s public persona and reputation, there is a good chance an AG somewhere starts looking at whether these folks broke any laws.

> If they refuse to coöperate with Apple, they’ll get personally sued as well.

This isn't law and order and that's not how civil litigation works.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

A decade ago Uber seemed poised to be the big tech powerhouse. Maybe not a platform per se (certainly not an ecosystem as other companies had it) but a major provider of software for all kinds of verticals beyond their core business. What happened to that?

Uber managed to make the business by lobbying so hard. In some countries they broke the regulation of tax drivers and made the environment like wild jungle. Now, people don't feel "safe" anymore for random Taxis and prefer Uber in many places.

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Some people think that being the exclusive supplier of iOS based devices is a “monopoly”.

McDonald's is the exclusive supplier of Big Macs and McNuggets. They're a monopoly.

In and Out Burger is an even bigger monopoly, the way they organize themselves is unfair to the rest of their competition.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

What does that have to do with employees stealing documents?

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McDonald's is the exclusive supplier of Big Macs and McNuggets. They're a monopoly.

In and Out Burger is an even bigger monopoly, the way they organize themselves is unfair to the rest of their competition.

They control the In and the Out? What other options does the competition have?

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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being an exec at apple for decades you probably pick up on a few things, even if they're beyond your department

The Luce seems to disprove that, at least in his case.

It's the Apple Watch Edition of cars.
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