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> just like Musk’s other scam, TSLA Just so we're clear: You think that the only company selling EVs in the USA for a net profit is a scam? What do you call Rivian, Lucid, Fisker, Bolinger, Lordstown, Slate, and Aptera? Slate has been conspicuously silent about orders since the day after launch. Lucid is on the brink of bankruptcy. Fisker has gone bankrupt... twice. Lordstown no longer exists (with assets purchased f…
A CEO making knowingly false forward looking statements is fraud, and it’s illegal.
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What is this scheme he is getting away with? We all saw the numbers, it is an absolute absurd valuation. Like I said I would never make the bet but just because I don't like him, does not mean I will immediately call the scam card. Both can be true.
It’s illegal for a CEO to make fraudulent promises regarding product delivery, timelines and financial projections. Musk does this regularly.
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A CEO making knowingly false forward looking statements is fraud, and it’s illegal.
Which in all cases is very hard to prove. Executives make extremely bullish statements quite often. We are just cherry picking here.
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#285“Shocking nobody” I would add… This is an obvious Musk scam and anyone with financial knowledge called it as such ever since it’s been on the table. Why else lobby and change the NASDAQ listing rules for instance?
This is shaped like more-or-less every IPO I've seen. I think you have to wait for more of a collapse to claim dispositive evidence of a scam (or widen your claim to 'almost all IPOs are scams').
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This is shaped like more-or-less every IPO I've seen. I think you have to wait for more of a collapse to claim dispositive evidence of a scam (or widen your claim to 'almost all IPOs are scams').
the scam here is knowing that the price will be lower, but forcing index funds to buy high
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This is shaped like more-or-less every IPO I've seen. I think you have to wait for more of a collapse to claim dispositive evidence of a scam (or widen your claim to 'almost all IPOs are scams').
This is something you could empirically study. Looks like this NASDAQ study from a few years back has some numbers. At 3 months, that’s what’s in their chart, it’s still about 50/50. At 3 years it’s 29% with returns greater than 10% and 69% with returns greater than -10%. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/what-happens-to-ipos-over-th...
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The "anti-Elon thinking" comes from the things Elon says and does.
Like?
Directly interfering in the u.s. government
A consistent pattern of grandiose over-promising and under-delivering in his products (FSD, robotaxis, electric-semi, boring company etc)
and plenty more
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I warned people 2 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48368668
I was told I was giving poor advice explaining how to avoid exposure to the latest Musk grift. Unfortunate. “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” —- Mark Twain https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48374430 (SpaceX shorts have made ~$4B in profits on paper so far, as of this comment)
Short sellers notch $8.7B profit as SpaceX shares dip to IPO price - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48948435 - July 2026
SPCX is now Wall Street's most shorted new stock - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48938001 - July 2026
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This is shaped like more-or-less every IPO I've seen. I think you have to wait for more of a collapse to claim dispositive evidence of a scam (or widen your claim to 'almost all IPOs are scams').
Many IPOs slide below their initial offering. Very few IPOs changed the rules to allow themselves to be incuded in significant indexes far faster than the rules previously allowed, and then slipped below their initial offering.