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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Music videos take attention away from the actual art. It's purely a gimmick to make bad music sound better. ... and no, music videos are not art.

I'm sure some people said the same about ballet.

Ballet isn't art, it's wasted potential.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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AI is destroying the economics which allowed for a sizable middle class of artists. The issue is that many are paid for their art mostly for its aesthetic rather than artistic value. This isn’t the most creatively fulfilling, but it previously allowed many artists to make a living while refining their skills, often enabling them to pursue their real creative ambitions on the side.

I understand what you mean but speakers and recording equipment destroyed the economics of paying people to play music a long time ago.

It's another way of looking at the problem.

Smartphone cameras and easy-to-use professional equipment were thought to destroy the photography profession, yet photographers still exist, although we have to admit not as many as in the past.

If I had a company with a budget, I wouldn't waste my time using Claude to create art, even if it meant I could do all myself.

Certainly people who earned top dollar for doing something that AI can easily do now are going to be displaced, however the world of top dollar business has never been that big for the middle class of artists to begin with.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Art isn't just the screenplay, or a prompt; it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department. And it may change during production. And effort. If it's easy, it's easily reproducible and not worth that much. And novelty, that's something current models aren't capable of. That's why Jarimoquai's Virtua…

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I don't rememeber that sentiment being expressed much in the past about programming.

I do notice a lot more bugs these days, a lot more slop code and a lot more complaints about slop code.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Art isn't just the screenplay, or a prompt; it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department. And it may change during production. And effort. If it's easy, it's easily reproducible and not worth that much. And novelty, that's something current models aren't capable of. That's why Jarimoquai's Virtua…

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Your code is slop. Probably was before as well. At least now it's consistent slop.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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I'm amazed how easily people dismiss this. They used less that an hour of wall clock time and max $50 to do this. How much would it take for me to create videos like this? I'm guessing 1-4 years calendar time practicing half an hour every day just to break my lack of talent. Immeasurable cost given how there's no way in hell I'm going to invest that kind of time for a skill I don't actually want to acquire. Somebody…

Why would you want to make a video like that though, it’s soulless slop

Why would you think that soulless slop is the only thing this technology can make?

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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I'm amazed how easily people dismiss this. They used less that an hour of wall clock time and max $50 to do this. How much would it take for me to create videos like this? I'm guessing 1-4 years calendar time practicing half an hour every day just to break my lack of talent. Immeasurable cost given how there's no way in hell I'm going to invest that kind of time for a skill I don't actually want to acquire. Somebody…

That depends on your own standards to be honest. Here's a video from Meshuggah which is a camcorder recording of them emoting in a camper van - that's half an hour of work, a few hours of editing tops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ My point is, anyone can make a music video on any budget or level of talent. And camcorder silliness is more artistic and entertaining than AI generated stuff any day of the…

Didn't expect to see a MESHUGGAH reference in HN today. Not bad.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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That depends on your own standards to be honest. Here's a video from Meshuggah which is a camcorder recording of them emoting in a camper van - that's half an hour of work, a few hours of editing tops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ My point is, anyone can make a music video on any budget or level of talent. And camcorder silliness is more artistic and entertaining than AI generated stuff any day of the…

I'm fine with AI music having AI videos. https://www.youtube.com/@DementedVinyl But I have never cared about a video when it comes to music.

A good music track does not _need_ a video, but some videos definitely can enhance the music or are just amazing by themselves.

'Sabotage' by the Beastie Boys (Spike Jones), 'Hunter' by Bjork (Paul White), 'Praise You' by Fatboy Slim (also Spike Jones), ... er Billie Eilish 'When The Party's Over', Apex Twin's Windowlicker (Chris Cunningam). There are so many great music videos that are more than just the song.

Of course, some are just the artist singing in front of a greenscreen, and that's fine I suppose. Still, they are fundamentally different to an excellent music video.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

Interestingly, I enjoyed early GenAI videos much more. All those bizarre, fever dream like experiences from the lack of consistency between frames, where things would morph or pop in and out of existence. They had a certain flair and something truly distinct to the medium. Now it is mostly just this uncanny valley of bringing stock photography to life.

Obviously, there will be some who use AI to great artistic effect, but I'm really worried about the discoverability of actually interesting stuff, whether it uses AI or not. Everything will be swamped by the automated goo of mediocrity that will vastly dominate in volume.

My perhaps naive hope is that this pushes people back toward offline and local communities, as well as toward more physical art instead of even more consumerism.

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